Revolution in smoking aims to stub out cigarettes – with the help of tobacco firms

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Some do get it...

For money

"Companies, including some of the biggest names in tobacco, are poised to launch a generation of devices that mimic the experience of smoking without the lethal effects."

and for health

"John Britton, professor of epidemiology and director of the UK Centre for tobacco Control Studies at the University of Nottingham, said: "There are very few areas where the UK leads the world, but we do on this. We have a government that is considering changes to the way nicotine is sold and marketed which has the potential to save thousands of lives in this country and millions worldwide. No other country is doing this – but a lot are watching."

Revolution in smoking aims to stub out cigarettes

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The independent is busy today - ex marlboro man

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...man-no-longerand-im-saving-money-6283414.html

Have fun

 

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yep the brits deserve a lot of credit here. but umm .. that kid of 29 claiming to be the inventor?

sorry dude, nice try. and it's not the chinese either. funny how great ideas languish for decades.

 

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yep the brits deserve a lot of credit here. but umm .. that kid of 29 claiming to be the inventor?

sorry dude, nice try. and it's not the chinese either. funny how great ideas languish for decades.

He may have come up with a different design from the models being sold by the Chinese.

 

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The Independent's article starts out as a very optimistic view of the situation, then changes to a commercial puff for a new product that will probably be launched soon. That's basically what it's all about.

In any case, the idea that 'Britain is in the lead' with any form of THR is simply farcical. Firstly there is no evidence for it, and secondly, Sweden has been there and done that - a reduction of 40% on the smoking death rate.

There is a wide gulf between what the journalist is reporting as being 'the government's position', and reality. The reality is that this area is controlled by an agency who are paid to remove any commercial competitors to the pharmaceutical industry - the MHRA. Unless some form of legislation puts e-cigs out of the reach of pharma interference, it's still all to play for.

The UK e-cig industry is now sufficiently well-organised and well-funded that they can probably fight off any legal challenge to the free sales of e-cigs, in a similar way to the US industry's defence. Because of this, the MHRA might decide to leave it alone. That leaves the EU, which is a whole different ball game. They obviously go with whoever pays best, as they've banned Snus for the last ten years, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives.

 

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James Lawton's piece is what I was referring to when I used to say that eventually the media tide had to turn our way: so many journos smoke that sooner or later, 50% of them will be one of us. That meant it was likely the tide of trash they used to turn out was eventually going to slow down, then go the other way - our way.

And now it's happening. Good to see it.

 

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He may have come up with a different design from the models being sold by the Chinese.

Indeed, that seems to be the subtext. If you read this article there are two clues.

Firstly, "results in pulmonary absorption of the nicotine following inhalation, meaning that an effect is felt within seconds". Many at ECF believed that this was the case with e-cigarettes until the Laugesen trial showed it not to be. Delievering particulate nicotine would be a breakthrough.

Secondly, "without....all the paraphernalia that goes with electronic cigarettes" is rather opaque. One thing that's clear is that this device is not going to be sold with any e-liquid type refills (it will be prefilled carts only, or the equivalent), so perhaps that's what they mean - way to turn a negative into a positive!

A more radical departure would be a non-electronic device, powered by puffing only. However, it's unlikely that such a device would provide the type of sensory experience demanded by e-cigarette users - it will remain to be seen whether the particulate nicotine (and, perhaps, the lightness of such a device) is enough to trade-off the dense/visible/feelable vapor from e-cigarettes.

The WTA thread suggests that for many smokers there is indeed something missing, whether particulate nicotine is it also remains to be seen. Of course, since Nicoventures will be going for a license, they might not be so circumspect about including WTAs, eventually, under a medical guise.

Personally, I'm all for innovation in the market. Of course, I'm deeply suspicious of the involvement of BT in anything but it has always been clear that they would get involved eventually.

 

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Indeed, that seems to be the subtext. If you read this article there are two clues.

Firstly, "results in pulmonary absorption of the nicotine following inhalation, meaning that an effect is felt within seconds". Many at ECF believed that this was the case with e-cigarettes until the Laugesen trial showed it not to be. Delievering particulate nicotine would be a breakthrough.

Secondly, "without....all the paraphernalia that goes with electronic cigarettes" is rather opaque. One thing that's clear is that this device is not going to be sold with any e-liquid type refills (it will be prefilled carts only, or the equivalent), so perhaps that's what they mean - way to turn a negative into a positive!

A more radical departure would be a non-electronic device, powered by puffing only. However, it's unlikely that such a device would provide the type of sensory experience demanded by e-cigarette users - it will remain to be seen whether the particulate nicotine (and, perhaps, the lightness of such a device) is enough to trade-off the dense/visible/feelable vapor from e-cigarettes.

The WTA thread suggests that for many smokers there is indeed something missing, whether particulate nicotine is it also remains to be seen. Of course, since Nicoventures will be going for a license, they might not be so circumspect about including WTAs, eventually, under a medical guise.

Personally, I'm all for innovation in the market. Of course, I'm deeply suspicious of the involvement of BT in anything but it has always been clear that they would get involved eventually.

yes, don't get me wrong. innovation is great but this one looks like marketing hype. cloaked as 'news'.

our coil vaporizers deliver nicotine very very well, hence the 'surprise quit' effect experienced by many. i'm not sure how 'particulate nicotine' is an improvement over the current design. but as you point out, the chemistry is incomplete for some folks, and WTA may be the answer.

the electric coil atty does need development, and it's happening (see DCT, genesis, etc). a breakthrough in miniature ultrasonics would be even better.