Riva in Canada?

[lelly]

Is there any canadian suppliers that carry the Riva, or a reliable, affordable alternative to the eGo? A site that also sells juice w/nic would be ideal, as I have tried to refer a few people to HappyVaper/evaper but the cost (apparantly $80, roughly 7 packs of smokes, for an eGo is too much to pay for something that will save your life and tons of money on analogs!) and the inconvenience of ordering from 2 different places and having to pay 2 shipping fees is turning them of off taking the plunge into vaping. I have to admit that these things were also concerns for me, but they didn't stop me!

 

[Switched]

Hummmm,

My first set up cost me $154. So for that price I could have gotten an eGo and juice. We did not have the choice then, that we have now. Hasn't your experience with Rainbow Vapor taught you anything?

Simply put, your friends are interested but are not willing to give up the stinkies yet. 2 Btles of juice from evapers + a "JoyE eGo kit will cost $118 ( I believe it is still free shipping over $100) for 2-3 weeks maybe even a month's supply. It was costing me $300 plus a month to smoke.

BTW once set up it costs me a little over $1.50 a day to vape. I can vape a week for what a pack of cigs cost. Nah! they just don't want to quit.

 

[HawtAngel]

vaporskitchen.com
Carries the T Rex and also ejuice and other supplies.When you consider an ego or alternative is cheaper than a weeks worth of cigs its a great deal.For me being able to breath again ,taste food, and not smell gross is also priceless.

 

[bornagainst]

I am pretty sure the guys at ePuff - Electronic Cigarette Canada Quebec Montreal can help you out too.

They are decent folk.

Sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but how can sitting at your computer placing 2 orders be inconvenient?

 

[lelly]

Hummmm,

My first set up cost me $154. So for that price I could have gotten an eGo and juice. We did not have the choice then, that we have now. Hasn't your experience with Rainbow Vapor taught you anything? .... I can vape a week for what a pack of cigs cost. Nah! they just don't want to quit.

What do you mean by my experience with rainbowvapors teaching me anything? It has taught me to research what I am buying and where I am buying it from. I am asking about a Riva or an eGO alternative that is proven as reliable but more affordable? And am I asking about where to buy it in canada so that I can research and read reviews on these suppliers. My experience with rainbow vapors is why I posted this thread in the first place, so I guess I don't really understand what that comment means.

As for long term savings, we all know that vaping is much less costly than analogs, especially up here in Canada with the taxes, and I do explain the long term costs this way, but the startup costs are always scary for someone who doesn't know if this is for them or not. I can understand that they can't see the long term savings in a product that they aren't sure they are going to use for more than a day. Whenever someone asks what it is, the second question is ALWAYS how much does it cost? I feel very strongly about vaping and I just wish others would be more open to trying it, and since cost is one of the issues, I just wondered if there were any DECENT alternatives to the eGO out there.

I know alot of them are probably not ready to quit, but honestly, I wasn't either. I just tried it thinking that it would fail just as everything else had, and quickly discovered that I prefer vaping, it is WAY better than analogs

 

[lelly]

Sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but how can sitting at your computer placing 2 orders be inconvenient?

I am not entirely sure, but I do fully admit to this being a little intimidating to me when I first started. I was told to order this from there and this from here and that from over there and it was just scary. When people ask where they can get one, I don't want to overwhelm them. That, and the whole purpose of trying to find a place to buy everything together for a first timer at a low price, so not having to pay 2 shipping charges.

Just trying to make it a bit easier to convert the world, being able to confidently refer someone to one place where they will get a good product, fast shipping, high quality juice, and good customer service, to make their first experience as painless as possible. Then, (once they are hooked, lol) confuse them with all of the different websites, types of PV's, DIY juice, cartos vs atty's....etc. I just find that so many people are just lazy and if it requires too much effort (research, multiple orders, learning curve, maintanace...) they will pass up a good thing. Although I do wish that I had found this forum earlier and known about what was out there before I bought my first PV, I also think that as helpful and informative as this forum is, it is also intimidating and may have turned me off of e-cigs all together. What, you mean I can't just pick it up and smoke it like a regular smoke? I have spent DAYS reading posts on this forum trying to educate myself on everything there is to know, and I am still clueless.

 

[lelly]

vaporskitchen.com
Carries the T Rex and also ejuice and other supplies.When you consider an ego or alternative is cheaper than a weeks worth of cigs its a great deal.For me being able to breath again ,taste food, and not smell gross is also priceless.

I find their prices of the T Rex pretty much the same as the Joyetech eGos, the starter kit is $10 cheaper, but it doesn't come with the charger, which is $15. Is the Riva not sold anywhere in Canada? From what I have read it is pretty much as good as the joye ego but at half the price.

 

[Switched]

OP deleted by OP

You have been offered valuable advice. We have all been there at one point. I/we are merely trying to save folks money in the long run. The Fram commercial...

<<You can pay me now or pay me later...>>

eGo and eGo clones are manufactured by JoyE, the remainder to include but not limited to the Riva are knock offs.

Where a 510 and a kr8 was a starting point 1 yr ago, the eGo is the starting point now.

 

[Vanisle]

lelly if you would be willing to order hardware from outside of Canada then I have 3 places for you.

Great reviews for all vendors below.

%20 off at Libety Flights
Liberty Flights in the US. GREAT Prices for Joye eGo's Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Joye eGo

Liberty Flights for a Riva Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

Greenhouseone from China Owned by a Canadian. Joye eGo Starter Kit

Eastmall from China Shipped as a personal package. www.EastMall.net Eastmall International Co.,Ltd
(I have this one and love it)

IMHO most vendors overcharge in Canada. My regular supplier (I work with and help sell for him from time to time) is much cheaper for the most part. Got my EM-Riva from him for $49 which is his regular selling price. His 510 kits are $39 (he only sells locally right now). Attys for my Riva are 2.2ohm and vape great and have been going strong for 4 months.

If Canadian vendors want to compete in this business then they really need to take a long hard look at their prices and become competitive with other countries vendors. If you can wait on shipping this is the way to go. Give it some thought and look around. Do not rush into a purchase. Contact the vendors and ask questions

 

[VAPOINSANO]

hi again,
this is 1 of the best back/forth's i have seen on this forum!
(added in my short time!)
i would like to say that i have experienced both sides myself !

me,
jumped in full head on, w/absolutely no looking back. period goin on 6wks ! (short timer)
best thing ive done in ages,very happy+heading to healthier every day!
got lucky and bought frugally, juice is my only main issue for now!! Not 1 analog so far+hopefully never again!
(i have noticed recently more frequent posts about juice in canada,it seems an issue! and not just HC? apparently?)

now,
family+friends, totally opposite, money, maybes+w.t.hecks, all around!!
even w/ testing the product(s)in depth,good prices,good juice, +ecf,
alot of blablah's, not sure's, or no goes!

my take is just, we're all so different+addictions are so personal,im guessing that to each his own, (addage goes here) !
for whatever reason?..... lead a horse........?

my 2cts only.....

good luck+happy new year

ECF ROCKZ+VAPE'ON!

ps.
honorable mention to the *Just* Canadian members+retailers ! they know who they are!

not gonna mention any names but...i find alot of comments from dealers,vets+hardcore members very accurate in ECF! they know what there yappin about! thx

 

[rachelcoffe]

With all respect to Vanisle...GreenhouseOne's price on eGo's is lower because they do not offer genuine Joye eGo's. Case in point:

eGo Manual Battery (1000 mAh)

As you can see, it says they're made by a "Greenhouse One hand chosen manufacturer." Not "made by Joye." They're less than half the price of a genuine Joye Mega eGo too ($13 vs $30). Just saying...everyone should understand that if they order from GH1, they're getting clones for clone prices, not the genuine article. If that's what you want, it's there. Personally I'd rather buy a genuine Joye eGo for a few dollars more, and have peace of mind. Just as I'd rather buy brand-name electronics in most circumstances. You get what you pay for.

The other thing to bear in mind (Can_supplier, Jack - feel free to step in & verify this in a post) is that Joye sets a minimum price that suppliers can sell their kits etc for. I know that on Evapers it says as much. We can't fault them for abiding by Joye's supplier rules. That's why when you see a supplier with hardware prices that seem too good to be true, it invariably means that they're selling knockoffs - clones, not the genuine article from Joye.

Furthermore, one must consider the price of convenience, Vanisle. GH1 has genuine Boge cartomizers, for example, at half the price that HappyVaper does. But there are tradeoffs. With GH1, my order is coming all the way from China for goodness sakes - they are not a local, Canadian supplier, but rather a middleman of sorts. A 3-week wait before it got here would be typical, or so I'm told. Shipping is $15. Prices are in USD. Selection is limited (only black colour available).

With HappyVaper, if I order on a Monday it'll be here by Wednesday. That's fast! Shipping is considerably lower in price. Prices are in Canadian. Selection is greater (black, white, or 'yellow' - the speckled analog filter label). The price of convenience means that I pay a bit more. And for my money, it's worth it.

So yeah, I think most of our Canadian suppliers are doing a pretty great job. They're entitled to earn a reasonable profit too. And considering how so many of us depend on them...we owe a debt of gratitude to our suppliers for keeping each other in check by not going crazy with their prices.

Anyway, returning to the original topic...nothing wrong with people selling clone batteries per se - as long as they make it clear that they are. The problem arises when a newbie sees "eGo" or "510" etc on a site & (quite understandably) assumes it's the real thing...and ends up either overpaying for a clone, or getting an inferior product.

 

[Vanisle]

With all respect to Vanisle...GreenhouseOne's price on eGo's is lower because they do not offer genuine Joye eGo's.

You may want to actually click on the link I provided to GH1 as it is in fact advertised a Joye eGo as are the ones from Liberty Flights. As for Joye price setting I can't see it because so many US vendors are far cheaper than their Canadian counterparts for the same thing. Tim posted on here and on his site that the 1000mah batteries are in fact not genuine Joye.

Having a buddy as a supplier (he sells 510's and Riva's) and recently getting my hands on Bauways price list has opened my eyes. I have a Riva and I love it. Will I buy a eGo in the future? I would have to say yes but I can assure you it most likely will come from the US or China due to pricing.

I'm not here to argue over clones etc. I posted the links to provide other options outside of Canada. I do agree with you that vendors need to be very clear on their sites if a product is genuine or not and these vendors should not be charging the same price for a knock off as others charge for the genuine article.

 

[rachelcoffe]

Although I do wish that I had found this forum earlier and known about what was out there before I bought my first PV, I also think that as helpful and informative as this forum is, it is also intimidating and may have turned me off of e-cigs all together. What, you mean I can't just pick it up and smoke it like a regular smoke? I have spent DAYS reading posts on this forum trying to educate myself on everything there is to know, and I am still clueless.

lelly, you're right that vaping does take a tad more effort than just grabbing an analog & a lighter. It takes a minute or two to mix up some juice, or to fill a cartomizer, or to every now and then drip on your separate atty, or to plug your battery in to recharge. The question to ask yourself is: is a minute or two of preparation every now & then worth it to you, so that you can quit smoking & start vaping?

I know that for myself the answer is hell yes. The degree of inconvenience is so insignificant compared to all the wonderful benefits that vaping brings to you. Almost 6 months later, it still feels like a dream come true to be free of tobacco with such ease. So yeah.

I know you've had a lot of information overload lately; and I know you've had a few bumps & bruises early in. My advice to you is to sit down, breathe deeply...and relax. Give yourself breathing room. Take it easy; slow down. There's no need to assimilate everything in a day. You'll just burn yourself out otherwise. Vaping should be enjoyable...not stressful.

I fully understand your feeling of wanting to convert every smoker in sight to this wonderful alternative. I still get that feeling whenever I see someone smoking. But don't expect every smoker you know to jump into vaping headlong either. My dad's fiancee smokes & I was sure she would jump at the chance to quit smoking & start vaping. But she didn't. She saw my e-cigs, held them, watched me vape all through the x-mas holiday...learned quite a bit. But she didn't want to try it, and frequently stepped outside to smoke. The truth is, she doesn't particularly want to quit smoking & she said as much...so vaping doesn't appeal to her (yet). Whether it's a lack of desire to quit, or personal laziness, or both...not everyone will get it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it. They have to want it.

Fortunately, many smokers do want to quit. And that's why you & I aren't smokers anymore...we're vapers.

All I'm saying is please don't let yourself get overwhelmed or tripped up by this or that. Enjoy vaping for yourself on your own terms; if and when you have a question, ask it (you have supportive friends that are here for you when you need them)...consider the answers...and then make the decision that feels right for you.

I always try to simplify the information I give to people who show an interest in vaping, precisely because I don't want to overwhelm them. I tell them about HappyVaper, Evapers, recommend they get the automatic 510 or eGo + 510 cartomizers. In a longer conversation, or with someone who's already decided to start vaping...I recommend DIY because it saves money & really is very simple. But I keep a list of premixed juice suppliers on hand too. If I give someone the forum link, I urge them to not get caught up in consideration of "mods" or this or that. Keep it simple, at least at first...there will always be time for growth later on, if one wishes.

In any event, it is my sincere hope that you won't give up on vaping & return to smoking just because of your experiences so far, lelly (or for any other reason). Your decision to quit smoking & start vaping was one of the best you ever made - please don't give up on it so readily. Patience, courage, strength...I believe you can find these things within yourself, and I hope you will.

We're praying for you.

 

[rachelcoffe]

You may want to actually click on the link I provided to GH1 as it is in fact advertised a Joye eGo as are the ones from Liberty Flights. As for Joye price setting I can't see it because so many US vendors are far cheaper than their Canadian counterparts for the same thing. Tim posted on here and on his site that the 1000mah batteries are in fact not genuine Joye.

Having a buddy as a supplier (he sells 510's and Riva's) and recently getting my hands on Bauways price list has opened my eyes. I have a Riva and I love it. Will I buy a eGo in the future? I would have to say yes but I can assure you it most likely will come from the US or China due to pricing.

I'm not here to argue over clones etc. I posted the links to provide other options outside of Canada. I do agree with you that vendors need to be very clear on their sites if a product is genuine or not and these vendors should not be charging the same price for a knock off as others charge for the genuine article.

Fair enough, Vanisle. I agree there are a lot of options out there, & there may indeed be some better deals price-wise to be had. My main point was that a higher price from a Canadian supplier isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when one considers the convenience factor as well as authenticity. I'd appreciate Jack & Rob weighing in on the minimum price for Joye starter kits thing when they see this.

But that aside, I find myself in agreement with you.

 

[Switched]

You may want to actually click on the link I provided to GH1 as it is in fact advertised a Joye eGo as are the ones from Liberty Flights. As for Joye price setting I can't see it because so many US vendors are far cheaper than their Canadian counterparts for the same thing. Tim posted on here and on his site that the 1000mah batteries are in fact not genuine Joye.

There was and still is in fact a price setting of $79 for the eGo by JoyE. This permitted a level; playing field for the eGo for all vendors. Then the knock offs came along, the first was the Riva, this is what started the ball rolling. Folks flocked to the knock offs for price point alone.

At that time it was relatively easy to pinpoint knocks offs, they were sold cheaper. I believe Pure Smoker was the first to sell eGos for $49 on one of his sales, as rebellion nothing else. Folks flocked to them and he sold his entire stock that way.

Many have since jumped on that band wagon... in general it is hit and miss because the product his now so diluted it is indeed hard to get the genuine article, especially with all the false advertisement out there, fuelled in large by the American market.

 

[lelly]

Thankyou for all of the input from everyone, I didn't mean to create so much controversy. Let me just clarify a few things...I was just hoping to find one website to direct OTHER people to for their first PV purchase so they can spend a bit of money, get a decent product that won't turn them off vaping, so they can try it on their own and see if it is for them or not.

In no way did I mean that $80 for a joyetech eGO starter kit is too much. I came to the same conclusion AFTER doing the research, seeing what is out there, and knowing what a well liked, quality product it is. As for knock-offs, they are not at all bad, the Riva seems well liked, and the knockoff that I got I am satisfied with so far, if it were $50 rather than $80 then I would probably recommend it after a few more weeks of use.

I do agree that the pricing elsewhere is much more competitive and the selection is greater, but I have heard that if you are ordering from anywhere outside Canada, if you get any juice with nicotine in it then there might be problems at the border, which brings us right back to ordering from 2 different places. Now that I know vaping is for me, I don't care about ordering different things from different places, or waiting 3 weeks for an order of something I am curious to try from China comes, because I know now that it is worth it!

I know that there is a lot more to vaping than analogs, but I didn't know that when I bought my first PV, and although it turned out to be a struggle in the beginning for me, the main thing is that I tried it, I liked it, and now there is no turning back for me. I love vaping and now I am diving in head first. I know there is so much to learn and I am a bit overloaded at the moment, but that will never stop me from vaping. The minor inconvenience to drip, fill carts, recharge batteries, clean and maintain my equipment, mix my own juice, etc is absolutely worth it to me. All of the issues that I talked about in the other posts were things that I was concerned about starting out, and I want others to avoid the same path that I started on. You can lead a horse to water....but if it leaves a bad taste in his mouth then he is not likely to come back for seconds!!! I got burned twice, and it left a really bad taste in my mouth in respect to vaping. This website is the only reason I am still vaping, because I know what happened to me happens to alot of people, and I wasn't going to let a bad experience stand in my way. Others may not be so forgiving of a bad introductory to PV's.

I am guessing from the responses here that there is no Riva sold in Canada, if they want something cheaper they can order from china/us with longer wait times, higher shipping costs, border issues all to save a few bucks, which to me absolutely isn't worth it and was the reason why I was asking about them being sold locally. I will continue to refer people to HappyVaper and evapers (or perhaps offer a small sample of my own juice supply to get them introduced to vaping). I appreciate all of the input, this forum is a great resources for everyone new to vaping and it is everyone that shares their opinions that make it so great.

 

[lelly]

Been doing a little looking around and I think I may try this as an alternative, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...76-free-disposable-ecig-apollo-continues.html

I pm'd the supplier and they do say that they successfully ship to Canada, so I was thinking of putting in a small order, maybe 10 of them, to hand out to friends, maybe get $10 for each one just to cover my cost and be able to order again. They seem to be a 1 piece disaposable cigarette with a decent amount of puffs, so a very basic introduction into vaping, no atty's, carto's, refilling or recharging to worry about. Then if they do decide that they like it and want to continue they can order from happyvapers/evapers or do their own research on the forum to make their own choices.

Bring on the feedback!!!!

 

[Vanisle]

lelly those could work. They have received some pretty good reviews and the more you buy the cheaper they get. Shipping within the US is free and I would expect shipping to Canada would be $15 or more.

Now FYI on the Riva's, After shipping the total from Liberty Flights for a Riva would be $48.98 and approx $10 more for a Joye eGo. Shipping to Canada is approx $10 more than Canadian vendors shipping within Canada for LF and approx $7 more from GH1.

I found out today that Joye does have a RRP and LF and GH1 are meeting Joyes required pricing. Thought you might like to know this.

 

[lelly]

Good info about LF, ty for sharing...

I've put together an order for 10 disposables....9@$12 each + 1 for free + $12 standard shipping to canada - $19.20 off for bulk discount = $88.75 USD, so even if I sold them to friends, coworkers, even strangers, for $10 to give vaping a try, they are supposed to equal about 2 packs of analogs worth, so it seems like a more affordable and less intimidating introduction to PV's, and I would want to try one myself before passing them around. I didn't put the order in though cause I would probably have to start planning my own funeral for when this months credit card statement comes in (I MAY have gone a little overboard with my startup supplies)! Maybe next month, lol. In the mean time, I will ask around to people who are curious about vaping to see if they would actually try this, and would love to hear any more feedback anyone has about this idea, this company and this product.

BTW, I have 2 jobs, one of them is at a pub where I openly vape and constantly get asked about it. My guess is that if I brought 10 of these to work on a busy night, I would be going home with 0! My boss may get mad though cause I am taking away from his analog sales @ $15 per pack (and probably breaking the law in the process?...not sure about that one though)