Robert's Virginia Flue Cured #10

[RobertNC]

Pretty much my standard vape these days:

3 mL 50-50 PG/VG Base
1.2 mL Nicotine 100 mg/mL in 50-50 PG/VG Base

8 Drops Virginia tobacco Flavor (FlavourArt)
4 Drops Flue Cured tobacco Flavor (ECigExpress Signature AKA TPA AKA TFA)
4 Drops tobacco Absolute Mix in EM* (See Below)

2 Drops Acetyl Pyrazine (ECigExpress Signature AKA TPA AKA TFA)
6 Drops Sweet Cream Flavor (ECigExpress Signature AKA TPA AKA TFA)
6 Drops Chocolate Flavor (FlavourArt)
8 Drops Caramel Flavor (FlavourArt)

5 Drops Ethyl Maltol 10%

2 Drops Vape Wizard (FlavourArt)

Makes ~6.5 mL @ ~ 18 mg/mL Nicotine

Heat in boiling water uncapped and let cool to room temp. Cap and let stand overnight then vape away.


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Tobacco Absolute Mix in EM:

1 Drop Tobacco Absolute in Ethanol
2.5 mL 10% Ethyl Maltol
2.5 mL 50-50 PG/VG Base

Heat and mix well and let age for a week or more.

 

[boomerdude]

Hey Robert. I really enjoy your recipes. Tried this one with just 2 drops of TA. Very nice. It's been steeping a week, at least what's left of the 6.5 mls. I haven't already vaped. Hoping the longer steep time will bring out the chocolate a little more. Thinking of switching out the Virginia with 7 Leaves or Cowboy. Thanks for all your recipes.

 

[RobertNC]

Hey Robert. I really enjoy your recipes. Tried this one with just 2 drops of TA. Very nice. It's been steeping a week, at least what's left of the 6.5 mls. I haven't already vaped. Hoping the longer steep time will bring out the chocolate a little more. Thinking of switching out the Virginia with 7 Leaves or Cowboy. Thanks for all your recipes.

Thank you that is very gracious. I really enjoy tinkering with flavors, starting with some kind of tobacco base and making a long series of additions and adjustments. It seems pretty undisputed that tobacco flavors are difficult. There are a lot of fruit style recipes, people seem to post fewer tobacco style efforts. I am not exactly satisfied with any of them yet, but I decided to start posting some of the ones in a given series that tasted at least reasonably good to me to get some more recipes out there and hopefully some people improving on them.

I'm curious did you use 2 drops of TA straight or two drops of the really cut down type mix I have been using? When I first started doing this I was adding straight drops of TA but it was so grassy, and difficult to get mixed in without the ring in the bottle.

Thanks,

Robert

 

[boomerdude]

I used the cut down TA. I have a 30ml dropper bottle with the cut down TA. I use it a lot since I too mainly stick with tobacco recipes. They are taxing, with long experiment times and many 3ml bottles emptied out of failed mixes. I have only a few ADV's, mostly the mainstays like 555, RY4, Black Honey, etc. There are several folks here on ECF - DIY such as yourself who post some good recipes. Right now I'm working on Cowboy, trying to get a less dry hit. I'm also waiting for a VFC/Hypno mix to steep. I would like to find a Blondie recipe that actually comes close, but - " no cigar " just yet.

 

[RobertNC]

Yeah, the TA is not only much easier to work with that way, I think it also gets better when cut. I assume it ages out like other flavors just by cutting it. I have a bottle too that has been around for a while because I only use drops of it, and I've noticed that the grassy aspect has diminished some.

The dry hit thing is a problem. I often end up with mixes that are a little sweeter than I like from trying to get a dry juice "wetter". I tried the "Bavarian Creme" because I have seen multiple tobacco recipes that included it. To me it was not really much different from adding EM and Ethyl Vanillin. The TFA "Sweet Cream" flavor does a pretty nice job without adding too much of a vanilla note (although sometimes I also like vanilla, just not in every thing). But it can start to get both sweet and little peppery if you go much over a drop/mL.

But I am still interested in the "Creme" approach to try to smooth things out and cut the dryness. My next round of flavors currently somewhere in USPS I have "Fresh Creme", "Whipped Cream", "Malted Milk" and I think maybe one other. I'm hoping the "Fresh Creme" will cut dryness without really adding much as far as vanilla or sweetness.

555's lol. I've made so many 555's now it was getting a little absurd. I decided it was time to give that one a rest.

I think I have a Cowboy tobacco coming, a MLB, a couple of others, and a different brand of Virginia (I've tried FlavourArt which is OK because it is not too perfumey, but not much tobacco either, FlavorWest which I did not like at all, I think the next one is TobExpress, they seem to be less floral in general than TFA and FA).

 

[boomerdude]

I think it was Hoosier that recommended Vape Wizard for dry hits. I'm not sure about it. You may give it a try to see if it helps. I have ECX Cowboy steeping right now. Another couple of days steeping and I'll let you know. I did take a wee bit of a vape from it and there was no flowery taste, nor perfume, but there wasn't any tobacco flavor either. Let's see what a longer steep brings out.

 

[RobertNC]

Yeah I add Vape Wizard as standard procedure. First I was using 1 drop per 3 mL then I bumped it up to 2 drops per 3 mL. To tell the truth I am not sure what it does if anything. I just add it, lol. It is not exactly a magic bullet for dryness so far as I can tell, but it does not seem to hurt anything. I dunno, just some more $ to spend on all this. ;-)

 

[boomerdude]

There seems to be a lot of that going around in the vape world.

" I dunno, just some more $ to spend on all this. "

 

[Karla Lyle]

Thanks for the recipe. I am finding out that making a really good tobacco is not that easy. I have made some with the EXC tobaccos that are pretty good but none good enough to make me give up vendors juice yet. I think I will check out some more of your recipes. Of all the tobaccos which brand would you say makes the best for tobacco bases? I have only tried ECX super oncentrated and a couple TPA taht I didn;t like at all. Thanks. Hope you continue posting recipes.

 

[boomerdude]

Please delete. Wrong thread.

 

[RobertNC]

I have yet to make any really great mixes that actually taste reasonably close to basic tobaccos either. Lol, join the club. Most ECX Signatures are TPA rebranded.

Of various Tobacco Flavors I have tried:

TobaccoExpress: Probably my favorite because they tend to not be flowery, but umfortunately not strong tobacco taste either.

Good:

555 - nutty, good flavor, probably my favorite.
B&H - just got this one. Not strong tobacco but not weird.

OK:

DHill - ok a little fruity.
Virginia - not much taste but not any weird tastes.

Not Great:

Golden Virginia - tastes weird, hard to describe.

TPA:

OK:

MLB - just tried recently. Not bad but a little peppery.
Flue Cured - ok for adding a little complexity. Too flowery for a primary tobacco flavor.

Not Great:

DK Tobacco - ok for adding a little complexity. Too flowery for a primary tobacco flavor.
Red Tobacco - not flowery but very peppery.

FlavourArt

OK:

Virginia - mild, no weird flavors but not very strong tobacco either. Use it a lot just because it is not weird.

Not Great:

Burley - ok to add a little but not much tobacco, a little peppery.
Shade - too peppery.

Weird:

Desert Ship - whoa! Like rancid patchouli.

FlavorWest:

Fire Cured - did not like at all.

Still searching for a really good "true" tobacco flavor ...

 

[Koman]

Robert, that was really helpful, thanks!

 

[boomerdude]

Wow! I guess taste really is subjective. I've tried most of them and I like about 75% of them. DK TB is 555 for all intent and purposes. FA Burley is great as is Oba - Oba. I do tend to add a drop of TA to a lot of my TB recipes and it seems to bring out a rich tb flavor with the primary shining through. Dunhill, Cowboy, B&M, 7 Leaves and Maxx are especially good with a drop of TA. Latakia, Perique, Cpt. Black, Desert Ship and Tuscan Reserve can be good mixed with a secondary. The Virginia, flue and fire cured as well as honey cured are the toughest recipes for me. I haven't got one I like yet.

 

[RobertNC]

Yeah taste is very subjective. I have a few new additions:

TobaccoExpress MLB - OK, not worked with this one much but seems OK, a little pepper but not as much as TFA MLB.
TobaccoExpress Turkish - OK, a little strong and slightly floral but not incense like DesertShip.

FlavourArt 7 Leaves - Rapidly becoming a favorite, been making a boatload of variants all based on FA 7 Leaves + FA Virginia mixes with TA and various flavors (cremes, chocolates caramel, etc).

 

[boomerdude]

There are some NET concentrates finally on offer from myvapejuice.com There are four base flavors that cover most mixes you could try. No Oriental or Exotics yet.

 

[joelle]

I'm definitely new to DIY but thought I'd throw in my I'm really enjoying using Seedman's Commercial Cigarette. I've come up with a hazelnut tobacco that's become one of my absolute favorites. (for 6ml) .5 ml Comm Cig, .5 ml hazelnut (tfa), .2ml vanillin solution, 4 drops 10% EM sol. and 2 drops 10% TA. Very smooth and satisfying. I'm mixing for 24mg nic at about 50/50

One of my first successes, let me know if you try and enjoy it.