Roughstack Problems

[AtomNeely]

Hey guys I just sent this ticket to madvapes to see what they had to say, but I wanted to get the forum's input as well. Here is just a copy and paste of the email I sent them. Thanks!

Hey! I recently received a RSv2 from ya'll and have loved it like crazy so far, up until last night. I was using it and the battery died around the normal time it has. I went to replace it with a charged one I got off the charger. I started vaping it again (running it with a cisco 306 1.5 ohm), but i noticed it started to misfire. I took the unit apart and saw so juice on the switch and everything seemed to be in working order, but when I got it back together it was still misfiring. It seems like only every third draw is giving me a hit, and the hit will vary from light vapor to a full perfect hit that I'm used to.

I thought maybe the battery didn't charge all the way so i decided to wait till this morning when the other battery was charged to try it again. When I woke up I put in the other charged battery and it was doing the same.

When I got home from work I started fiddling with it and put the other battery in again and still nothing. Now neither battery is firing and I have one on the charger trying to see if they just didn't charge right.

Do you think it could be the switch? Its obviously making a connection because I was getting a few hits off of it, but maybe its just a dud?

Do ya'll have any advice for me to use? I really would like to get this back in working order because it was kicking major .... for a while.

 

[grm]

Same thing just happened to me.Opened a ticket with madvapes,they said the switch needed replacement,send the defective one in and they will replace it.Well I wrote back that i could not be without my Roughstack for that long,cus it was still firing enough to use,and they said fine,and sent me a new one and I didnt haveto send the old one back.Put the new one in and it is firing like a champ again!Im sure they will do the same for you,is it still under warranty?

 

[AtomNeely]

It should still be, I just got it in last monday, so i've only had it for about a week.

 

[grm]

yeah the warranty on these is 90 days so they will replace it for ya.good luck!

 

[emus]

I tossed the spring and replaced w/ a wire to solve similar symptom.

Been working for weeks w/o issue.

If you don't like the wire idea then verify the spring is making firm contact w/ atty center post.

Also verify pos batt nipple contacting center solder trace.

Also test removed switch function w/ ohmmeter.

Mine is leak free since I used 4 drops RTV.

 

[AtomNeely]

I made sure that the spring was making contact. I think its the battery connection or the switch is just a dud because when trying to put the battery on it slipped and i heard it make contact with the spring portion and fire the atty on its own. I still havent heard from Madvapes yet, but I'm sure they will get to me tomorrow. I hope we can work something out quick because I'm going out of town for a week on saturday and I cant be without my baby for that long haha.

 

[emus]

I made sure that the spring was making contact. I think its the battery connection or the switch is just a dud because when trying to put the battery on it slipped and i heard it make contact with the spring portion and fire the atty on its own. I still havent heard from Madvapes yet, but I'm sure they will get to me tomorrow. I hope we can work something out quick because I'm going out of town for a week on saturday and I cant be without my baby for that long haha.

Your batt is installed pos side up, right?

 

[AtomNeely]

I'm pretty sure, the Postive side is the nipple side correct? (Sorry, I swear I'm not this n00bish, just normal AA and AAA batteries are labeled haha)

 

[emus]

I'm pretty sure, the Postive side is the nipple side correct? (Sorry, I swear I'm not this n00bish, just normal AA and AAA batteries are labeled haha)

Yeah. Pos is the nipple. Sounds like you had nipple side up?
And the spring appears to be making good metal to metal contact on the center atty post?

 

[AtomNeely]

Yeah. Pos is the nipple. Sounds like you had nipple side up?
And the spring appears to be making good metal to metal contact on the center atty post?

Yeah, I had the nipple side up.

Weird thing just happened, I was fiddling with the RS trying to make sure i was making connection. I was testing it by putting the battery in upsidedown and seeing if it would fire like you said in another RS thread. Turns out with wasn't at all. So I put in a small piece of aluminum to help make contact. I put the battery in correctly, and no fire. Again to test if i was making a connection i put the battery in upside down and I was listening for the atty to fire. It didn't fire when the switched wasn't activated, but when i activated the switch, it works. Like perfect, like nothing was wrong. I guess my switch had a few things wrong with it, but hey, atleast its working now.

Any thoughts?

 

[emus]

Yeah, I had the nipple side up.

Weird thing just happened, I was fiddling with the RS trying to make sure i was making connection. I was testing it by putting the battery in upsidedown and seeing if it would fire like you said in another RS thread. Turns out with wasn't at all. So I put in a small piece of aluminum to help make contact. I put the battery in correctly, and no fire. Again to test if i was making a connection i put the battery in upside down and I was listening for the atty to fire. It didn't fire when the switched wasn't activated, but when i activated the switch, it works. Like perfect, like nothing was wrong. I guess my switch had a few things wrong with it, but hey, atleast its working now.

Any thoughts?

Be careful w/ the foil so you don't short out batt.

With nipple up, is nipple touching center solder on wafer board?

 

[AtomNeely]

I believe it is, there is a small 'flat' part on the little solder bump on the board where it looks like the battery was making contact, and I can only believe that it would make contact, but my guess now is that is isn't because it wont fire.

Is there anything wrong with using it like I am right now with the battery upside-down? It doesn't constantly fire, and seems to be trucking along just fine.

Also, The foil is just a little twist i made and stuck on the inside of the spring to make sure everything was hitting right. I don't think it could or will touch anything other than the spring/solder connection on the board.

 

[emus]

I believe it is, there is a small 'flat' part on the little solder bump on the board where it looks like the battery was making contact, and I can only believe that it would make contact, but my guess now is that is isn't because it wont fire.

Is there anything wrong with using it like I am right now with the battery upside-down? It doesn't constantly fire, and seems to be trucking along just fine.

Also, The foil is just a little twist i made and stuck on the inside of the spring to make sure everything was hitting right. I don't think it could or will touch anything other than the spring/solder connection on the board.

I don't wanna be liable for burning down your house.

Is a protected batt?

Hope you remove batt before bed time.

 

[AtomNeely]

I will remove the battery, but again after tinkering I got the battery connection to work the way it's meant to with the positive side up. I guess my problem was the spring connector. I'm gonna have to see if any of my neighbors have a soldering iron I can use to do the little wire trick you showed me.

Edit: And yes, it is a protected batt.

 

[six]

Clean the center contact point on the PCB with rubbing alcohol and q-tip. Clean the 'nipple' on the battery the same way. Pull out your spring and clean it the same way. Clean the bottom inside the tube where the spring rests the same way. Clean your threads where the top and bottom of the rough stack comes apart the same way.

If it continues to misfire, mash the switch button 20 or 30 times fairly hard and rapid-fire. --> I had to do that about once a month or two with my original rough stack, and I've had to do it once with one of my V2s. I've seen that advice posted four or five times including once by Hoogie (madvapes owner), so it's worth a shot.

 

[emus]

If you don't have a multimeter handy there is one test you can try to evaluate if spring is contacting atty center post. Screw atty in, press switch, rock atty side to side. If atty fires intermittently while rocking then there's a good chance spring is not making good contact to atty center post..

I much prefer to troubleshoot w/ a meter.

 

[AtomNeely]

Yeah, I just tried the little rocking trick you mentioned and a non firing Attu became a firing one. I think it's the spring connection. I called madcaps today and they said I'd have to send in my switch to get a new one, but my RS is my only PV right now so I can't do that. Looks like I'll be modding a mod

On the soldering the wire where do I connect the wire on the atty connection?

 

[emus]

Pop out 1/8" center pin.
Solder wire to bottom of pin making sure solder blob is not too fat to fit through 1/8" hole.
Two drops RTV on pin assures no leaks.
Remove spring by heating solder.
Two drops RTV sandwiched between body and switch completes leak free RS.
Dab thread locking compound prevents switch from coming loose(optional).
A dab of Vasoline on body thread prevents galling.

 

[AtomNeely]

Sounds good, thanks for all the help! One more question, what did you use to hold the atty pin while soldering? I took it out and that thing is TINY!

 

[emus]

Sounds good, thanks for all the help! One more question, what did you use to hold the atty pin while soldering? I took it out and that thing is TINY!

Would be nice if someone could hold it w/ pliers...or use masking tape or something...or aligator clip third hand from radio shack. Try not to get contacting top portion dirty w/ melted tape. Total solder used is less than a grain of rice.