Thanks for the reply and info, I have been watching rebuild vids for it, and yep everyone says that about rebuilding them. Although I am very happy with My kanger product rebuilds I know it is a different animal. I really do want a Rebuildable tank, leaning towards single coil. And don't want to spend big bucks on one. Maybe the Ithaka is not an ideal pace to start. But I do have a serious itch to get something. I'll wait till GV has some others in stock and decide then.