RY4 Double and Tribecca clone?

[pappasmurfsharem]

So its been a number of years since I've had an RY4 based vape.

I remember them being sweet, caramel-ly.

I found what some say is a decent Tribeca Clone recipe to try. it uses roughly 10-12% RY4 double (TFA).

I'm finding that this RY4 double, has an almost pretzel like taste to it, not anything like the RY4 vapes I used to remember. I know it generally requires a few days to steep, but its been over a week now, and it still smells and tastes quite "pretzel-y"

 

[smacuser]

I found this Tribeca recipe on 2 different sites:

12.5% Double RY4
2.5% Graham Cracker
2% Pyrazine
3% ethyl maltol

10 days to to steep.

 

[pappasmurfsharem]

Yeah that's the one I used.

I've been testing a drop or 2 every day to see how it changes.

And I was getting a real preztel-esque vibe.

I hadn't tried it before this post. And just did again and it's definitely starting to change.

It's still smells like a pretzel but I'm definitely getting the caramel undertones and some of the pretzel flavor has diminished.

It's like a totally different juice even compared to yesterday. It's almost like magic. It tasted more or less the same for the last 6-7 days, and just today it's changing

I guess I'll give it some more time


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[smacuser]

I might have to mix some up and see for myself.

 

[IDJoel]

I don't think it is the RY4 Double. I am betting what you are smelling and tasting is mostly the Pyrazine (Acetyl Pyrazine, AP). You might gice your AP bottle a sniff to see if it has a similar smell.

2% is actually a rather large amount for its more traditional usage. You will see it most frequently used at percentages below 1%. Used in small amounts; it will add a nutty, sometimes light bready/yeasty flavor to your mixes. Used at higher amounts; you will start noticing flavors of corn chips or popcorn. Used at even higher amounts you will start getting the taste of burnt corn chips. The specific amount for each of these different flavor profiles will differ a bit for each person and their individual taste buds.

AP has been (still is?) available in both 5% AND 10% concentrations. Be sure you know which one you are working with. Unless the recipe explicitly calls for 10%; presume it is using 5%.(If you do have the 10% version simply add half the amount called for.) You can always add more if you are not getting the effect you want, but you can't take it out, or cover it up if you get too much. AP can, and will, overpower (even ruin) a recipe.

Please keep in mind that this is NOT a critique of Halo's Tribeca or your clone recipe. I have tasted neither and I don't claim one iota of knowledge about either one (Though 2% may be a higher percentage use of AP; it can be what is needed for the recipe to work once it has fully matured... I have NO idea). This is only my thoughts on where your "pretzel" is likely coming from.

 

[pappasmurfsharem]

I don't think it is the RY4 Double. I am betting what you are smelling and tasting is mostly the Pyrazine (Acetyl Pyrazine, AP). You might gice your AP bottle a sniff to see if it has a similar smell.

2% is actually a rather large amount for its more traditional usage. You will see it most frequently used at percentages below 1%. Used in small amounts; it will add a nutty, sometimes light bready/yeasty flavor to your mixes. Used at higher amounts; you will start noticing flavors of corn chips or popcorn. Used at even higher amounts you will start getting the taste of burnt corn chips. The specific amount for each of these different flavor profiles will differ a bit for each person and their individual taste buds.

AP has been (still is?) available in both 5% AND 10% concentrations. Be sure you know which one you are working with. Unless the recipe explicitly calls for 10%; presume it is using 5%.(If you do have the 10% version simply add half the amount called for.) You can always add more if you are not getting the effect you want, but you can't take it out, or cover it up if you get too much. AP can, and will, overpower (even ruin) a recipe.

Please keep in mind that this is NOT a critique of Halo's Tribeca or your clone recipe. I have tasted neither and I don't claim one iota of knowledge about either one (Though 2% may be a higher percentage use of AP; it can be what is needed for the recipe to work once it has fully matured... I have NO idea). This is only my thoughts on where your "pretzel" is likely coming from.

Nah it's 100% the RY4 double, the flavoring itself smells like the smell of the juice and pretzel-y taste.

However, its definitely changed a bit on the 8th day finally, and its getting closer to the RY4 taste I'm familiar with.

I can't say this smells or tastes like Tribecca, it definitely doesn't smell like it yet but it's getting there.

 

[Fozzy71]

I have this Tribeca recipe mixed up in a 20ml tester from about a week ago but don't think I have tested it on a dripper yet, might have to go down to the lab and give it a try:


Tribeca clone 1
7.00% RY4 Double (TFA)
4.85% Graham Cracker DX (TFA)
2.40% Caramel Original DX (TFA)
2.40% French Vanilla V2 (CAP)
1.60% Acetyl Pyrazine (TFA)
1.00% Cotton Candy (TFA)

I replaced sweetener with cotton candy

 

[FACE MEAT]

2% Acetyl Pyrazine would be too much for my tastes. Anything over 1 drop per 5mL is overkill for me and ends up tasting like Fritos.

 

[ckquatt]

2% Acetyl Pyrazine would be too much for my tastes. Anything over 1 drop per 5mL is overkill for me and ends up tasting like Fritos.

This!!! 1000%! Terrible stuff! I don't see how some peeps use 2 or more percent! Corn Chips for DAYS!!! LOL! I try to leave it out if I can. If I can't it's 1 drop every 5-10 mls.

 

[Train2]

LOL - yes, a little too much AP and it changes dramatically from "nutty" to Fritos.
It's also the bottle I can't even open if my wife is home, because the smell is so strong.

Anyway, I once STARTED looking for a Tribeca clone, but ended up with just a RY4-Double flavor I like, and I've been vaping some variation of it for a couple years.

I started with 15% but have cut it back to about 10.
And all I have in my recipe other than that is AP (1 to 1.5%) and some TFA Bavarian Cream. That adds some more creamy and some sweet, and I'm good.

 

[IDJoel]

Nah it's 100% the RY4 double, the flavoring itself smells like the smell of the juice and pretzel-y taste.

OK, I'll take your word for it, though I just smelled my bottle again and I don't get anything remotely close to "pretzel." I have used quite a bit of it over my last 2 years of DIY and have never got that impression from TFA RY4 Double. Now I am questioning whether you have a tainted or mislabeled bottle. Then again, I do understand that we all perceive flavors differently, and this may just be your perception.

I did come across one iteration of the recipe @smacuser previously shared where the author suggests a 2 week steep time with the first two days being "cap off." So it sounds like your mix might be maturing along the same lines.

Best wishes.

 

[G-Fog]

This is as close as I have managed to get. FWIW
Tribeca Clone
Acetyl Pyrazine (TFA) 1.60%
Caramel (LA) 2.40%
Cotton Candy (LA) 1.00%
Ethyl Mytol (TFA) 0.60%
French Vanilla Deluxe (TFA) 2.40%
Graham Cracker TFA (TFA) 4.85%
RY4 (TFA) 7.00%

 

[smacuser]

I did come across one iteration of the recipe @smacuser previously shared where the author suggests a 2 week steep time with the first two days being "cap off." So it sounds like your mix might be maturing along the same lines.

Good to know.

I mixed a batch of 2XRy4 as a stand alone and found it very vapable. I only bought AP to get a 555 vibe for the tobaccos that would stand to take it. Yes, at this time, 2 or 3 drops per 30mls would be best.

 

[hamburglar]

I have been playing with this lately. Started with some recipes on the web. I found that I needed to reduce all the flavors except for the RY4 Double. Everyone is different. But for me, this is dead on.

I mix it 100ml at a time like this. Also, steep for a month. I've tried it after 2 weeks and 3 weeks. After a month I cant tell the difference between this and authentic Tribeca. I put them head to head in matching tanks when I was working on the recipe.

I mix my nicotine around 1.44 mg/ml. I also like my VG at least 75%. Adjust the nicotine and PG/VG to match what you prefer.

Tribeca Clone
48MG/ML Nicotine (PG Base) - 3ml
PG - 10ml
VG - 76ml
TFA - Double RY4 - 10.5ml
TFA - Acetyl Pyrazine - 20 drops
CAP Graham Cracker Clear - 10 drops
Ethyl Maltol - 10 drops
Totals 100ml finished ejuice

You could mix this without the Ethyl Maltol, and or without the Graham Cracker if you don't have them. Those two items do not make a huge difference. Just a minor one.

 

[hamburglar]

I'm trying to figure out Halo Devlin if anyone has a lead on that one

 

[smacuser]

CAP Graham Cracker Clear - 10 drops

Thanks for that. It's what I have, so I wanted to be sure I was clear.

 

[hamburglar]

Thanks for that. It's what I have, so I wanted to be sure I was clear.

It takes such a small amount, you could probably use any kind. I used the clear because that is what I could order at the time.

Ive tried with just 10% TFA - Double RY4, and 2 drops of TFA - Acetyl Pyrazine per 10ml. Just those 2 flavors alone get you something VERY close and quite vapable. Lately I am mixing in butter pecan and caramel, trying to get something sweeter and richer like Devlin.

 

[Train2]

Not too far off some I've done...
But that is less than 1.5 mg/ml final strength you know... That's not much nic!

For folks who want percentages to try a smaller volume, here's what hamburlar's recipe looks like to me:


PG/VG 24/76
Double RY4 10.5%
AP 1%
Graham Cracker 0.5%
EM 0.5%

I have been playing with this lately. Started with some recipes on the web. I found that I needed to reduce all the flavors except for the RY4 Double. Everyone is different. But for me, this is dead on.

I mix it 100ml at a time like this. Also, steep for a month. I've tried it after 2 weeks and 3 weeks. After a month I cant tell the difference between this and authentic Tribeca. I put them head to head in matching tanks when I was working on the recipe.

I mix my nicotine around 1.44 mg/ml. I also like my VG at least 75%. Adjust the nicotine and PG/VG to match what you prefer.

Tribeca Clone
48MG/ML Nicotine (PG Base) - 3ml
PG - 10ml
VG - 76ml
TFA - Double RY4 - 10.5ml
TFA - Acetyl Pyrazine - 20 drops
CAP Graham Cracker Clear - 10 drops
Ethyl Maltol - 10 drops
Totals 100ml finished ejuice

You could mix this without the Ethyl Maltol, and or without the Graham Cracker if you don't have them. Those two items do not make a huge difference. Just a minor one.

 

[hamburglar]

Yeah Train2, those percentages look right. That was basically a recipe made public somewhere else. But it originally listed larger quantities of Graham Cracker And EM. I ended up lowering them both to make more of a match to Tribeca in my opinion. I really think Tribeca is just RY4 Double, AP, and a touch or 2 of something else. I wonder if the Graham Cracker and EM could be subbed out for some vanilla flavor instead.

Regardless, when I mix the above recipe and put it head to head to the real thing, I cant tell a difference. Its so close that I am satisfied with it. And I am a huge Tribeca fan.

These days I am mixing my nicotine at 1.44. I know that's an oddball number, but it works out even when I mix with 48mg/ml nicotine. Its low for some people. But I vape between 10-15ml of juice per day. So that is a moderate dose of nicotine for daily intake.

 

[mcclintock]

Original RY4 wasn't as much tobacco with caramel and vanilla as something between those three things. RY4 double smells to me like really complex caramel and tastes like a tobacco-y pseudo caramel. That might be perceived different depending on plenty of factors. A big dose of APy doesn't help.