Sabot DDD for the Billet Box
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IDK about the warm body aspect Vapian. Never really paid attention to this, though now that you mention it, mine is a bit warm to the touch as I speak. Been so long since I've used a carto, I don't recall whether or not the body temp was any different. Maybe the brass ring and threads are acting as a resistor, and a good cleaning may help?
Verticals are tricky. May want to revisit them when you get the Rayon in. In fact the reason I'm here is I had to take a break from my home improvement project and rewick one. Yeah, there is an art to these. You need to find the right density of wick. What works for me is to sort of work the wick around the coil in a circular fashion, dampen the wick with juice, and gently tamp and form the wick until the packing is of sufficient height to cover the juice holes and extend just a bit above the coil. Very little if any wick protrudes into the juice channel, but the opening is covered. Then I take a sewing needle and push away the wick a bit from the bottom of the juice passage creating a small inlet. Rayon seems to work better than cotton for this since unlike cotton, it doesn't swell over time. I've read where Rayon actually shrinks a bit, though I've not noticed it at least in this application. Really thin juice does need a bit of wick through the juice channels.
My favorite horizontal is a 6/7 wrap micro of 32 ga Kanthal, over a bit that just slides into the wick slots. I forget the diameter...2mm I think. To get the wick in, dampen the cotton (haven't tried Rayon yet), and twist a bit to make the wick slide into the coil, than untwist. Wick should be in contact with the coil, but not tight inside. After installing the top piece, I trim the wicks and "fluff" the ends with a sewing needle to fill the void in the juice channel. I don't use a top wick at all unless I'm in a hurry and decide to use a stock head.
IDK. I'm not an anti carto type. A good fresh carto is a pretty good vape. Fresh being the operative word. My biggest gripe with carto's is I kill em with the juices I vape. I think the SABOT-DDD is a better vape, but at the end of the day, it is a bottom coil clearomizer and performs like one. But with the ability to modify and adjust airflow to tweak to your preference.
Oh, and Dan had sent me a couple of heads that he had rebuilt with cotton that were also very, very good. I need to look up his video, but in general it also is a 32 ga 6/7 wrap coil that he pulls down into the cup closer to the air-hole. Great vape, but the reason I've not tried to replicate this is they are much harder if not impossible to re-wick using the existing coil. Seemed he used more cotton around a wider coil. May want to try this as well since I recall being impressed with the vapor production. Again, no top wick.
Hope this helps!
You will notice the rayon shrink more so on a horizontal coil and dry rebuilding. I have to over pack a horizontal or pre wet the material. You already over pack a vertical unless you are making a huge coil.
It's already helped, some. Just did a 7-wrap of 32 ga for about 2.7 ohms on a 14 ga needle with loose coil spacing. Loose-ish japanese cotton wick inside, cut to width then pulled off a top layer for more of the inner wispy cotton on the outside, then a single strand of the wispy stuff on top. It's better, but still dries out my mouth and the BB I'm using (brand new Bald Rat, so not a cleaning/contact issue) still gets warmer after a while than it does with a carto.
I may just drop back to cartos while waiting on the rayon, then give this another shot. It would be unfair to the BB's in my life to get frustrated with them.
Interesting idea with pulling the coil down into the cup a bit; I will give that a try next time.
I may just drop back to cartos while waiting on the rayon, then give this another shot. It would be unfair to the BB's in my life to get frustrated with them.
Interesting idea with pulling the coil down into the cup a bit; I will give that a try next time.
Man I was supposed to be stalking a Ratbald yesterday. Got all wrapped up in finishing this floor I forgot all about it. 
Man I was supposed to be stalking a Ratbald yesterday. Got all wrapped up in finishing this floor I forgot all about it.
No worries, D. Only the clear (silver) ones were up yesterday. Black is still destined to return someday.
Whew. That is good to read DP.
Have to work next Saturday, but I'll put my procurement officer on it. Mrs BSD loves to shop lol.
Have to work next Saturday, but I'll put my procurement officer on it. Mrs BSD loves to shop lol.
Hey all. been reading but not commenting, been super busy working on the new shed. Just hauled in 3000 lbs of wood, and have about 8000 more coming. So I have been out of the loop a bit. Did order 3lbs of rayon so I will report back on my experience with that,
Just picked up a 28mm Mega rba for my black panzer with 26650 4400mah batteries, first quad coil build... wow is all I can say
Dan
Just picked up a 28mm Mega rba for my black panzer with 26650 4400mah batteries, first quad coil build... wow is all I can say
Dan
Hmmm, so that lathe of yours runs on wood then huh
Know what you mean about being super busy. If I'm not at work, I'm at home working harder.
Flooring is down, well except the hall and foyer...but at least my recliner is in it's rightful place lol. Couple of hundred feet of moldings to paint and put in and I'm done!
Know what you mean about being super busy. If I'm not at work, I'm at home working harder.
Flooring is down, well except the hall and foyer...but at least my recliner is in it's rightful place lol. Couple of hundred feet of moldings to paint and put in and I'm done!
Funny, my Sabot rebuilt to mirror my v2 Diver builds works almost exactly the same way as the Diver. Haven't tried rayon in either yet, but with cotton it feeds just fine, no dry hits or overfeeding. Sabot is a bit noisier, but I like when my vape crackles a bit, it's kind of like that fake Christmas Yule log fireplace thingy they put on TV, it sounds like something is combusting. If it sits for a couple of days with the tank less than half full, I have a trace of juice on the bottom of the tank, just like the Diver.
Jury is out on which one is easier to rebuild. Diver needs wire zapping, but I find the ARO head a bit more difficult to work with than the Diver. So, for me, about equal. But if you hate zapping wires, and/or suck at it, Sabot is the clear winner.
Jury is out on which one is easier to rebuild. Diver needs wire zapping, but I find the ARO head a bit more difficult to work with than the Diver. So, for me, about equal. But if you hate zapping wires, and/or suck at it, Sabot is the clear winner.
I hate those damn tiny holes in the cup of the diver. But with some coils, I build the ARO heads through the pin end and find it much faster/easier as all parts are partially together and get pushed together while inserting.
I'm not your typical customer, I'm very tiny-friendly, even with my non-delicate appendages. I'm also very used to Diver use, so for me these things are second nature. I imagine someone new to both will likely prefer the Sabot.
We shouldn't discount the convenience of not needing to zap wires, I've been one of those annoying people pestering these manufacturers to abandon that concept, and even the guy who first created it has moved on.
Don't they all? And the real smile comes out along with 'your' Credit Card.
need some help -- search through and could not find the answer -- been using the sabot exclusively and love, love, love it (thanks again all!!) .... until 3 days ago. It started leaking to no end. So I figured change the head. I did. Then it started gushing! I mean gushing so much that there was juice in the batteries. -- and here I am nic'ing out.... I got home cleaned it all up and changed the heads again -- stock -- no yarn. But it is still gurgle city and leaksville... what am i missing?? any help or ideas will be greatly appreciated. I'm using mostly Ripe Vapes pear almond at the moment -- could it be the juice? it wasn't leaking at all with Villain Vapor
oh... and I even switched to the delrin no hole tank.. as the leak - gusher - was in the clear hole tank -- thought maybe there was a crack caused by the new juice I'm trying... but nope... still leaking
Did you by chance change your air flow control setting? Maybe it came unscrewed by accident? Also, try putting some of the yarn in for the flavor wick. Typically, the only two things that mess with juice flow is changing the draw (AFC) or adjusting the amount of wick (it should fill the slots on the ARO head).
Is it leaking statically? Meaning tank out of BB and just sitting upright, does it leak? If so is it from by the oring, or from the center pin?
I agree with Drunk, add some wick to the top of the coil and tighten the AFC up (full air flow) and see if it leaks or dry hits. If it starts dry hitting unscrew the AFC one half turns until there are no dry hits and it does not flood.
Dan
thanks for the response -- I changed out juice to thicker juice and a new head.. so far no leaking... I think the Ripe Vape is super thin and maybe the air flow unscrewed a bit more somehow and a perfect storm was created
Thanks again for the sabot, I do love it... and thanks for the response.
Thanks again for the sabot, I do love it... and thanks for the response.
So, Rayon coming out. . . .
Thanks to the BlueSnake (again, thanks!) gots me some Rayon. Smallish envelope weighing next to nothing with a bag containing what looked to me to be about 10 or 15 feet of doll intestines.
So I cut off a wad. BS told me (politely) to "pack it" as shrinkage may ensue, so I grabbed a "failed" 2.8-ish ohm something-gauge horizontal microcoil build and packed that wad into it, tight. Didn't even reach around for a flavor wick. Just fluffed my wick to fill the holes and stuffed that bad boy in the 'Box.
... Why are you looking at me like that?
Anyway, given the previous performance of this particular coil build (to wit, "utterly sucky") and given that this is my first attempt with the Rayon, I have to say that it ... sucks much less.
It's actually pretty good.
Previous attempts were undeniably "dry". Not "dry hit" dry, but "lost-in-the-Sahara" dry.
With the Rayon, packed as tightly as it is in this particular build, it's not-quite-cartomizer moist, slightly better than a stock ARO head with P&C flavor wicks.
Vapor is not-quite-cartomizer volume -- a little lighter than I like, but satisfying.
Flavor is not-quite-new-cartomizer good, about on par with a carto after the second day.
I know, I know ... "Picky, picky!"
But basically: I now have hope.
Pretty sure that packed a little less tightly, and maybe or maybe not with some variation or another on the coil, Rayon is going to make the Sabot deliver what I expected of it (which may or may not be what it was actually designed to deliver, but dangit, I'm in the customer-with-unreasonable-expectations' seat here!).
One more time, Thanks BlueSnake! I can now look forward to spending less time with my family again this weekend whilst dialing this Sabot thing in.
Thanks to the BlueSnake (again, thanks!) gots me some Rayon. Smallish envelope weighing next to nothing with a bag containing what looked to me to be about 10 or 15 feet of doll intestines.
So I cut off a wad. BS told me (politely) to "pack it" as shrinkage may ensue, so I grabbed a "failed" 2.8-ish ohm something-gauge horizontal microcoil build and packed that wad into it, tight. Didn't even reach around for a flavor wick. Just fluffed my wick to fill the holes and stuffed that bad boy in the 'Box.
... Why are you looking at me like that?
Anyway, given the previous performance of this particular coil build (to wit, "utterly sucky") and given that this is my first attempt with the Rayon, I have to say that it ... sucks much less.
It's actually pretty good.
Previous attempts were undeniably "dry". Not "dry hit" dry, but "lost-in-the-Sahara" dry.
With the Rayon, packed as tightly as it is in this particular build, it's not-quite-cartomizer moist, slightly better than a stock ARO head with P&C flavor wicks.
Vapor is not-quite-cartomizer volume -- a little lighter than I like, but satisfying.
Flavor is not-quite-new-cartomizer good, about on par with a carto after the second day.
I know, I know ... "Picky, picky!"
But basically: I now have hope.
Pretty sure that packed a little less tightly, and maybe or maybe not with some variation or another on the coil, Rayon is going to make the Sabot deliver what I expected of it (which may or may not be what it was actually designed to deliver, but dangit, I'm in the customer-with-unreasonable-expectations' seat here!).
One more time, Thanks BlueSnake! I can now look forward to spending less time with my family again this weekend whilst dialing this Sabot thing in.
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