Sad day for Sigelei? :(

[muzichead]

Different sources are saying different things. Some say 18650, and if that is true I am likely in.

Looks like it is 18650 size, similar to vv gripper. Using the 510 connection to judge the size.



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There are only 3 sources out there at present and if you read it as it is written you will see the difference....

The 1st link that was provided: Zmax Brother Tmax!sigelei Brand T-max Ecig Show Vv And Vw With Oled Screen - Buy Sigelei T-max,T-max,Zmax T-max Product on Alibaba.com, If you look at the specs, they are for the ZMax.....

At the top of the page is the 2nd link: Sigelei T Max,Buy Quality Sigelei T Max from Manufacturers and Suppliers on Alibaba.com, which will lead you to this link: Top Sell! Vv&vw Sigelei T Max E Cigarette - Buy Sigelei T Max,Sigelei T Max Product on Alibaba.com

If you look at the dimensions in the actual TMax you will notice the width of the unit is 20.5mm... Common sense would tell me just from the dimensions that the way the battery cap is centered in the bottom of the unit and an 18350/18650, (18mm in dia.), there is no way one can fit in the unit..... However with those dimensions being that, a 16340, (16mm dia.), would fit....

The 3rd link: Sigelei T-max (Red or Black), would tell me this unit indeed takes a 16340 battery as well.....

Again, it is all simple math and common sense if the provided dimensions from Alibaba are the correct....

 

[fourthrok]

There are only 3 sources out there at present and if you read it as it is written you will see the difference....

The 1st link that was provided: Zmax Brother Tmax!sigelei Brand T-max Ecig Show Vv And Vw With Oled Screen - Buy Sigelei T-max,T-max,Zmax T-max Product on Alibaba.com, If you look at the specs, they are for the ZMax.....

At the top of the page is the 2nd link: Sigelei T Max,Buy Quality Sigelei T Max from Manufacturers and Suppliers on Alibaba.com, which will lead you to this link: Top Sell! Vv&vw Sigelei T Max E Cigarette - Buy Sigelei T Max,Sigelei T Max Product on Alibaba.com

If you look at the dimensions in the actual TMax you will notice the width of the unit is 20.5mm... Common sense would tell me just from the dimensions that the way the battery cap is centered in the bottom of the unit and an 18350/18650, (18mm in dia.), there is no way one can fit in the unit....However with those dimensions being that, a 16340, (16mm dia.), would fit....

The 3rd link: Sigelei T-max (Red or Black), would tell me this unit indeed takes a 16340 battery as well.....

Again, it is all simple math and common sense if the provided dimensions from Alibaba are the correct....

It is confirmed by an email from the vendor that the Tmax does take 16350. Which goes back to what I was saying in an earlier post...so, why is that a big deal? I might have had hope it would take 18650, but it wasn't a deal breaker. The point is, the 16350 will last about the same as an 18350. I know I'm mostly ignored by the Big Boys in here, but I do know a little (sic) something about PVs, and have experience with all the battery sizes being talked about in this thread.

A hole in the comment highlighted. The battery cap is NOT centered. It's to one side. Much like the VV Gripper. As for the dimensions of the width. Um...the Ovale V8 takes 2x18350s (or 16340s)...and where the battery is "fattest" in the unit, the unit is about 20.5mm. The battery numbers stand for (18) the diameter of the battery (35) the length of the battery and (0) the shape of the battery. As for height..it's hard to tell from the picture because the logo is over it, but it appears to be about the same height as the VV Gripper and the Ovale V8. Extrapolating a bit from the numbers that do show in the photo..I'm guessing about 80mm.

Due to having the OLED and the VW...the innards probably take up more room than something that is basic VV like the VV Gripper. But FWIW the VV Gripper is only 20.2mm in depth. Smaller than the dimension given for the Tmax. Just sayin' The height appears to be probably the same...thus leading to my thinking that MAYBE it'd take 18650. Apparently that isn't the case, but it wasn't an unreasonable assumption given the scanty info we got on the thing last week.

I know it is more "sensible" to wait for the reviews to come out. But I took a chance anyway. I have no agenda, and do not have an iron in the fire of the Reviewer Elite...so I can make an honest assessment. Yes, I'm nervous. But I have a good feeling the Tmax will serve the purpose I have in mind for it, and serve it well. Time will tell, however.

 

[muzichead]

forthrok, not a big deal at all....

I was just trying to point out that by the dimensions and pics of the mod itself, (one would as I pointed out IMO), apply common sense in the situation and see that where the battery compartment is located, (centered as far as width is what I meant, not length), and just judging that if the mod is 20.5mm wide and there is maybe a 2mm +/- gap on both sides and the edge of the battery door to the outside edge of the mod, again common sense and basic math would lean towards it using a 16340 battery and not an 18350.... I also pointed out, and thank you for clarifying, the 18350 is in fact 18mm in diameter......

I am just saying look at the width of the mod and look at the diameter of the battery door, apply common sense and basic math..... That is it..... Its not rocket science.....

Dimensions from Alibaba - 93mm high x 45mm long x 20.5mm wide

 

[fourthrok]

muzichead....Perhaps mis-read or mis-understood your post. My apologies.

I did think..from initially looking at this mod that there was a chance for the 18650 size battery. But now that I know that isn't the case, I still think it's not a bad deal, considering that I've had no luck finding a box style APV in metal within my price range, and still having the PWM VV that I've come to really like (like in the VVG and the V8). I admit to some disappointment that the battery size is a bit small..but I can live with 700 mAh 16340s. My fingers are crossed that this will work out for me. I presently have 6 x 16340s (LiMn) in my "arsenal", so at least I have a flying shot at making this thing work.

What I really wish is that the VVG and/or the V8 would come out in metal (and a reasonable price) Even aluminum would work for me, but stainless would be awesome!

 

[Mezzum]

Great info and deductive reasoning by all. This is the first PV I have ordered blind. Whatever the end result, it will replace my VV Gripper which has served me well. I am slowly replacing my old non-RMS, non-WATTAGE MODS.

 

[Larzis]

Interesting update here. VaporJoes reporting Sigelei has changed the Tmax to support an 18650....

 

[Baditude]

Interesting update here. VaporJoes reporting Sigelei has changed the Tmax to support an 18650....

"Originally the T-max was in a completely useless design. Using a single 16340 battery. After everyone was up in arms about it they have changed it to an 18650. It looks like Sigelei listens to input. I welcome the change, and may even buy it.

The picture above is the older Tmax next to to the updated version in silver. The current coops are going for about $55.00."
- Vapor Joe's

Thanks for the news, Larzis.


We can now officially change the title of this thread. Oh happy day!

 

[Birchi]

Awesome news! Definitely looking forward to reviews on the Tmax now. Hoping that it is durable and works well. I'd love to have something to replace my gripper in a similar form factor without breaking the bank.

The board must be huge, look how much longer it is than the 18650. The VV Gripper is just a tad taller than the battery.

Ahh, the search for the perfect mod.. *reaches for dremel and a block of aluminum*

 

[cherrycakes]

If it ends up being the 18650/2 x 18350 configuration I will buy one. I already have 18650s, and its for my wife, I don't want her to have to carry around multiple batteries to get through a day of vaping. Not that she couldn't, or isn't capable of changing batteries throughout the day, I just don't want her to have to.

awww, that's sweet

 

[crxess]

Sigelei does not like Sad Days
They are always listening to customers and looking at upgrading to satisfy need.

 

[Butters78]

What do you expect from a Chinese company that gave itself an Italian sounding name?

 

[Koman]

What do you expect from a Chinese company that gave itself an Italian sounding name?

LOL you are right on that one, Butters!

 

[fourthrok]

Okay...I just got an email answering my inquiries from the vendor I ordered from.

He states that Sigelei IS reworking the design, thus delaying shipment. The ones he will be getting in will take 18650!!!!

He previously stated that the size would be 16340 at the time I ordered on March 1st. Okay, so it looks like a green light here! Here is a portion of the email I received:
"Sigelei has delayed their shipment to me as they are reworking the item to work properly as per the customers need. I will not be getting anything but the ones accepting 18650, so if you like I can either refund your money now and you can repurchase, or we can wait (which I would think is best). They told me it would be at the end of the week, next Monday the latest that it would ship. Usually with a 5 day lead, we should get them in a couple of weeks."

I'm getting all fluttery with anticipation!!

 

[dlongbow]

Okay...I just got an email answering my inquiries from the vendor I ordered from.

He states that Sigelei IS reworking the design, thus delaying shipment. The ones he will be getting in will take 18650!!!!

He previously stated that the size would be 16340 at the time I ordered on March 1st. Okay, so it looks like a green light here! Here is a portion of the email I received:
"Sigelei has delayed their shipment to me as they are reworking the item to work properly as per the customers need. I will not be getting anything but the ones accepting 18650, so if you like I can either refund your money now and you can repurchase, or we can wait (which I would think is best). They told me it would be at the end of the week, next Monday the latest that it would ship. Usually with a 5 day lead, we should get them in a couple of weeks."

I'm getting all fluttery with anticipation!!

I am so glad that they realized more people would want one with the 18650 battery instead of the 16340 battery in them - I think that is awesome! They listened to the people! lol

 

[Birchi]

Hmmmm, the guy in this video has one in his hands and states its a 16340. I wonder if they will be releasing both??

Sigelei T max - YouTube

 

[fourthrok]

Hmmmm, the guy in this video has one in his hands and states its a 16340. I wonder if they will be releasing both??

The "review" was a bit sketchy. But not too bad. I suppose the one he has is a 16340 because it was sent to him BEFORE the revision (. When I pre-ordered my Tmax it was March 1st. On March 2nd I got an email from the vendor confirming that the battery at that time was said to be 16340. Then, on March 11, I got another email from the vendor (in response to an inquiry I'd made) stating that Sigelei had released some initial 16340 models, but had reconsidered and would redesign the Tmax for 18650s for the general public. On March 12th I got another email informing me that the shipment was going to be delayed due to the redesign. The anticipated shipment date from the mfg. would be March 18th and it'd be a couple of weeks after that before they'd be shipped to customers. That is when the vendor offered to refund my money in the event I had wanted the 16340 model rather than the 18650 (the latter would be the model that the vendor would be receiving),and due to the extended delay past the anticipated March 15th date originally proposed when I pre-ordered.

The vendor is not currently taking orders due to this change-up-delay. However...two different people at that vendor confirmed that the battery WOULD be 18650. Thus the delay.

No idea if they plan to release both sizes...but the vendor made it clear that they would not be getting the smaller version.

 

[hausmouse]

For the little size difference it made it was the obvious smart choice. Im actually quite impressed. The original version would've been a flop though

 

[dlongbow]

It sounds like they are just going to be doing the larger battery size, I haven't seen / heard anything about Sigelei releasing the smaller size for sale so far. It was my understanding that they were going to completely re-do it and then once it was done ship out that new version - ditching the smaller sized battery

 

[WillyB]

[EDIT] I see posts all over the APV forum with people looking for "mini APVs" or "stealthy small mods". or "good APVs that take 18350". There is NOT really any different in POWER between the 18350 and the 16340 folks!

Really?

Here's a comparison. A fancy AW 16340 vs. a common UltraFire 18350 Li-Ion.

The difference is quite significant.

 

[fourthrok]

Really?

Here's a comparison. A fancy AW 16340 vs. a common UltraFire 18350 Li-Ion.

The difference is quite significant.

Good point..and illustration. It's a no brainer that a larger battery would be preferable. When I posted, I was trying to find a way to be happy about a APV that we "thought" was going to be one thing, then turned out to be another (16340). Now it's flipped back to the Tmax is going to use the 18650. You are undoubtedly correct (as is the chart I'm sure) but I do use 16340s in my Ovale V8 some of the time and generally get pretty good performance from them. Never really did a side by side thing comparing with the 18350...but it does work pretty good. If the mAh rating is about the same..it's close to the same length of time of satisfactory performance. Maybe not exact, but not enough to ruffle my feathers, really.

Then again..I'm not big on high wattage or high voltage vaping, or using low resistance atomizers on VV devices...so I probably don't "work" the batteries as hard as some more hard core type folks do.