I did a little research and learned that PG is i bit more "dangerous" than VG. But what are the main differences between the two? Taste? Price? Safety? Thanks
Safety//Differences of PG v.s. VG???
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Pg is more dangerous? I know it causes more allergic reactions than vg. Pg is a flavor carrier. Vg is the vapor maker. The price for each is basically the same.
PG is viewed by the FDA as safe enough to give to asthmatics to breath in five times a day, while VG is used to thin cake icing. I'm not sure how much safer things can seem TBH, so long as you're sticking to USP grade. Either one is $6/500ml of USP at the drug store down the street from me, so cost isn't an issue. VG is sweeter, of course, and thicker, and makes thicker vapor, but has trouble carrying flavor.
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What research can you point towards it's being dangerous? My research is that PG, in the dilution we use, and that it's not commercial strength, makes it virtually trouble free, except for allergies.
The "dangerous" stuff is the commercial grade, and in dilutions that would be literally impossible vaping, even for decades. The kind we use is the same as the kind they pump into the air in hospitals.
As for the difference, PG is for flavor and throat hit, VG is for vapor. I use 50/50. Price is about the same, and it's pretty cheap. Both can be handled with no special precautions - keep it away from kids, don't drink a bottle of it, etc.
Neither one has a "taste", as far as I know.
VG can have different tastes depending on what it's sourced from - must commonly VG is made from corn, and has a similar taste to corn syrup, but I've also seen coconut-sourced VG for sale.
It's safe, feel free to get some on your finger at lick it.
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Thanks a ton for all the replies! I just wasn't sure about it, but now I think I'll be fine
It's so early in the game that nobody can say for sure what the long term effects of vaping will be. Although the ingredients for juice have been FDA approved in one form or another, they're generally not approved for inhaling into the lungs. Although PG is given to asthmatics to breath, longterm potential risk of its usage is not as imperative as the immediate risk of not using it: not being able to breath. There has yet to be any study on what the effects of PG or VG inhaled into the lungs constantly day in and day out will be, say, over the course of several decades, and how could there be: vaping has only been popular for a few years now. That said, we already know that smoking cigarettes literally kills people, so it cannot be denied that vaping is a much less risky behavioral pattern.
By the way I became a member of CASAA this morning. That's also a good resource for learning about vaping.
By the way I became a member of CASAA this morning. That's also a good resource for learning about vaping.
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Smoking cigarettes, that's dangerous. I wouldn't be concerned with PG nor VG. I know PG is used in asthma inhalers and some asthma patients use there inhalers constantly. I would stick with USA made ejuice suppliers that use kosher PG/VG along with FDA approved flavors though.
It has to be said the materials are as safe as those that process it, most places will provenance their materials for sources, grades, testing, quality checking and those that don't well, you pays the money and takes the chance.
Outlets are getting very aware that people are asking questions and they can't get away with cheap nasty chemically juices anymore as well as the likelihood of being sued to oblivion if them nasty cheapo things turned out poisonous and hazardous to health.
Outlets are getting very aware that people are asking questions and they can't get away with cheap nasty chemically juices anymore as well as the likelihood of being sued to oblivion if them nasty cheapo things turned out poisonous and hazardous to health.
"What about all those Vegetable Glycerin products you find in health food stores?
..You know, the one’s labeled 100% Pure USP Vegetable Glycerin, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin 100%, Vegetable Kosher USP Glycerin 100% etc…
Kosher(Kashrut) Law:
Kashrut(kosher) laws are Jewish religious dietary laws having to do with the preparation of food products and really have nothing to do with the labeled purity of the product. Also, Kashrut(kosher) laws are jurisdictional(handled differently in different places). In some cases a rabbi must come to the manufacturer and verify processes and equipment conform to kosher law and in some places it's enough that the manufacturer says or thinks he is conforming to the kosher laws. In any case USP and Kosher are 2 different things. There is no such listing in the USP for "Kosher Glycerin."
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/52669-pg-vg-labeling-purity-please-read.html
As far as the safety of vaporized PG or VG there were two studies carried out. Each had diff conclusions and although we'll find PG and VG in many foodstuffs, used in operations, inhalators, etc the issue isn't the PG or VG but the possible off gases. The one positive from regulation might be official clinical studies done by those with deep pockets and the facilities to do so. Good or bad I want to know.
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You are somewhat correct, but in this case Kosher VG means that all the ingredients in the product are derived on from plant sources and no synthetic sources.
In actuality the info is from SmokeyJoe- Founder of ECF.
As far as VG/ Glycerin.
Glycerin may be either 100% vegetable , synthetic, animal derived or a combination. I buy 100% VG but it is labelled as Glycerin...info straight from my Dentist's Wife who's a pharmacist.
Is this the drugstore/Walmart "Glycerin" (e.g. Humico) or something else? I'd resolved to stop using the former. Since it's not labeled as vegetable glycerin, I guessed it probably contained byproducts from meat processing. Curious as to your wife's or others insights.
I Have a question....does a 60vg/40pg mix effect the taste of the juice? I got some and it just did not taste right. I have been getting a 50/50 mix but I wanted a bit more vape on exhale.
I adamantly disagree, I can taste PG a mile off. I vape only 100% organic VG and even a drop of a PG liquid in my RDA is noticeable. I'm also allergic so there could be a link.
I also disagree that PG is for better flavor, and VG is just for vapor. More like PG for TH without increasing your nic, and VG for thicker clouds/smoother vape. I get huge flavor from VG and must insist that flavor is enhanced mostly by your setup. Coil. Wick. Airflow. Wattage.
As long as you aren't allergic to PG, or have issues with high VG, I believe there's quite substantial evidence that both are safe to vape long term. Side effects? See above. Most have little or no issues with either, but finding the ratio that works best for you takes a little time, money, and investigation. Plenty like 50/50, for me it's 100% VG, some like 80PG/20VG. Hope you get yours narrowed down
Here's some good reading on VG: The safety of vegetable glycerin (VG) when inhaled through an electronic cigarette (e-cigarette). Studies on the effect of the inhalation of vegetable glycerin through a personal vaporizer.
Most good juices will label what the mix ratio is. Although Halo juice is supposed to be one of the best juice lines you can get and they don't have any ratio call outs at all?? You can only choose your nic level with them.
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