Safety/Harm Reduction Vaping Help

[S-Box]

Hi All,

First time poster here. Long time lurker.

I wanted to get a unit with TC to reduce the potential harm of breakdown products. I am in the process of researching a new mod/tank set-up with Temperature Control and I am finding that they all seem to take coils in the Sub-Ohm Range.

I have been doing some research and I am finding that I still do not understand what the important factors that lead to a "Reduced Harm Vape"

I am not a cloud-chaser, just looking for a satisfying 'safe' vape...

Some questions I have:

Will a sub-ohm coil with TC be just a safe as a higher-ohm coil in terms of carcinogenic/toxic break down products?

What are the factors that contribute to harmful substances? Some scholarly articles mention Volatage, others resistance.... Is it just the heat of the coil?

Any other factors I should take into consideration for reduced harm vape?

Thanks!

 

[Eskie]

First, we do not know for sure whether temp control will reduce "breakdown" products. If it does, we do not know for sure what temperature it should be. We have PRELIMINARY data that significant breakdown is likely to occur above 470F.

Temp control is independent of resistance, or at least it should be. 450F is 450F whether on a 1.8 ohm coil or a 0.18 ohm coil. Some mods do TC better than others. We think SS is the safest wire to use for TC, but it could turn out wrong. Please notice, lots of unknowns.

Best practice to follow for harm reduction at present. Don't smoke. Make sure your vape in pleasing enough you won't go back to smoking. Keep your power settings on the lower end, and if you have a mod capable of reliable temp control you could feel better about the whole thing if you're at 450F or less.

Or it could turn out we're all wrong. There is ongoing research about this. Information will continue to come out, and we may or may not have to decide for ourselves what changes may or may not be needed. Other than that, just don't smoke. That's the harm reduction that matters.

 

[S-Box]

Great, thank you for your reply! Fully quitting the smokes will have the biggest effect (need to give that another whirl.....)

Cheers

 

[Asbestos4004]

It never hurts to be cautious... but if you're still smoking, you might think about simply vaping. The worst you can do is use regular ol kanthal and hit it with some power. Chances are, you'll be alot healthier before you know it. Get vaping and experiment with temp control as you progress. Many of us have been vaping long before TC was ever a thought. You'd be hard pressed to find any of us to say we're not in better overall health. Good Luck!

 

[sofarsogood]

Hi All,

First time poster here. Long time lurker.

I wanted to get a unit with TC to reduce the potential harm of breakdown products. I am in the process of researching a new mod/tank set-up with Temperature Control and I am finding that they all seem to take coils in the Sub-Ohm Range.

I have been doing some research and I am finding that I still do not understand what the important factors that lead to a "Reduced Harm Vape"

I am not a cloud-chaser, just looking for a satisfying 'safe' vape...

Some questions I have:

Will a sub-ohm coil with TC be just a safe as a higher-ohm coil in terms of carcinogenic/toxic break down products?

What are the factors that contribute to harmful substances? Some scholarly articles mention Volatage, others resistance.... Is it just the heat of the coil?

Any other factors I should take into consideration for reduced harm vape?

Thanks!

I can only say what I believe. I don't have equipment to test for chemicals in vapor. I've casually followed the research like many others here. There's no such thing as certainty or 100% harmless but there are probabilities. I look out for my younger brother who I got started vaping a couple years ago. He tootles away on his Nautilus mini at 11 watts and vapes may be 3 ml's per day of liquid with 1% flavoring and 10 mg nic. I am very confident the 1.8 ohm build in the N mini coil head and his useage exposes him to a trivial fraction of the bad stuff compared to his smoking days. Consuming more liquid and vaporizing it with more heat may increase the bad stuff. Then again it might not and may be the increase is trivial or may be it's not so trivial. My goals are to reduce daily ml's from 5 to 3.5. I would increase nic if I thought that would help. I'm also working on lowering the temperature of the vapor by adjusting coil build, max temp and max watts. I started vaping to stop smoking and it worked. I continue to vape BECAUSE I ENJOY IT. I don't plan to stop but I do hope to minimize daily ml's and heat.

 

[EIHYPI]

I can only say what I believe. I don't have equipment to test for chemicals in vapor. I've casually followed the research like many others here. There's no such thing as certainty or 100% harmless but there are probabilities. I look out for my younger brother who I got started vaping a couple years ago. He tootles away on his Nautilus mini at 11 watts and vapes may be 3 ml's per day of liquid with 1% flavoring and 10 mg nic. I am very confident the 1.8 ohm build in the N mini coil head and his useage exposes him to a trivial fraction of the bad stuff compared to his smoking days. Consuming more liquid and vaporizing it with more heat may increase the bad stuff. Then again it might not and may be the increase is trivial or may be it's not so trivial. My goals are to reduce daily ml's from 5 to 3.5. I would increase nic if I thought that would help. I'm also working on lowering the temperature of the vapor by adjusting coil build, max temp and max watts. I started vaping to stop smoking and it worked. I continue to vape BECAUSE I ENJOY IT. I don't plan to stop but I do hope to minimize daily ml's and heat.

Please excuse for my ignorance. What can the heat do? You said it may increase the bad stuff. What bad stuff do you mean?

 

[sofarsogood]

Please excuse for my ignorance. What can the heat do? You said it may increase the bad stuff. What bad stuff do you mean?

The liquid is vaporized by heat from the coil. Bad stuff refers to chemicals that might be produced if the liquid is over heated. You are looking for ways to avoid overheating the liquid. Temp control can help do that. A lower powered setup might also be sufficient. If the goal is a substitute for smoking with far less risk than smoking there are a variety of ways to get there. A vape with zero risk is more challenging, may be impossible.