Safety questions about "custard notes"
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Just my personal opinion....I see the diketones scare is much ado about almost nothing. One person it seems got what is called popcorn lung. Bad for him for sure but because of that everyone now thinks that if they vape flavors with diketones in them that they will kill over dead in the very near future. Do a google or ECF search and you will learn all you want to know about all the differing opinions.
To each their own but I am going to enjoy my custard mixes.
To each their own but I am going to enjoy my custard mixes.
You can find custard flavors without diketones. To me, the best mix is TFA's Vanilla Swirl (their custard flavor without diketones) with TFA's DX Bavarian Cream, also diketone-free. Mix the two of them together and it's a perfect custard flavor.
Diketones also occur in some flavors where you'd never expect to find them; I expect this is because some flavors are organically-derived, and diketones occur in nature. bullcityvapor.com gives you excellent info on which flavors contain diketones, if they know -- and they make a real effort to find out.
Andria
Diketones also occur in some flavors where you'd never expect to find them; I expect this is because some flavors are organically-derived, and diketones occur in nature. bullcityvapor.com gives you excellent info on which flavors contain diketones, if they know -- and they make a real effort to find out.
Andria
Actually, the way I understand it, lots of people got it, but they were all factory workers in the popcorn plants. Only one consumer ever got it, which is probably what you're referring to, and he didn't get it from vaping but rather from a years-long habit of making microwave popcorn every single day, standing next to the microwave and deliberately inhaling the "buttery aroma" as it heated.
Diketones (at least diacetyl? I'm not sure about the others) are present in cigarette smoke, as well, so it's not like vaping them in your liquid is making it worse for you than than smoking. You're still (probably, as far as we know) far better off vaping than smoking, with or without diketones, but seeing as they are an "avoidable risk," then why not avoid them, since you can?
My feeling is, the *possible* risk is so outrageously extreme (needing a lung transplant just to continue living), that even if the risk is very, very slim, it's still a risk that should be avoided.
One of the possible replacement chemicals, butyric acid, is known to potentially cause "lung irritation" -- and irritation is a long, long way from total destruction. So, to me, that risk would be worth taking; if it does cause irritation, you'll notice, and stop using it. The problem with bronchiolitis obliterans is that by the time you notice any symptoms (shortness of breath), some destruction has already taken place and further destruction may be irreversible, even if you stop using the offending substance.
It's sort of the difference between being struck by lightening, and accidentally encountering house-current electricity. Sure, some people survive being struck by lightening, but most, by far, are killed. Many people accidentally touch house-current, and it's not pleasant at all, but it won't kill you -- unless maybe you have a pacemaker or something.
Andria
This is the original study on diketones (diacetyl and acetyl propionyl to be more precise):
A new study verifies the lower risk-potential of e-cigarettes but identifies an avoidable risk
This is from the study:
"Tobacco cigarettes smoke contains both compounds, at levels 100 times higher for diacetyl and 10 times higher for acetyl propionyl compared to e-cigarette average daily exposure. "
Yet, people smoke and I never heard about a smoker getting popcorn lungs. It's good to avoid diketones, the safer, the better! But, personally, I don't think it's such a big issue.
A new study verifies the lower risk-potential of e-cigarettes but identifies an avoidable risk
This is from the study:
"Tobacco cigarettes smoke contains both compounds, at levels 100 times higher for diacetyl and 10 times higher for acetyl propionyl compared to e-cigarette average daily exposure. "
Yet, people smoke and I never heard about a smoker getting popcorn lungs. It's good to avoid diketones, the safer, the better! But, personally, I don't think it's such a big issue.
You really need a vacation from passive aggressive land, its getting pretty old at this point.
I like my custard with extra diacetyl. I would fight for my right to vape what I want, and for your right to know what's in your juice. We should all be allowed to make our own informed decisions.
I agree, because the entire point is knowing what's in there -- you can't really make an informed choice unless you're actually informed.
I went to DIY for this reason (among many), but that only increases my knowledge so far -- the chemicals that really make up the flavors are still almost 100% mysterious.Andria
I agree, because the entire point is knowing what's in there -- you can't really make an informed choice unless you're actually informed.
Andria
TFA lists what's in their flavors and the rough percentages at Perfumer's Apprentice just click list in the far right column.
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