Safety/Tips for series/parallel mods? (building one, dual 18650)

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treehead

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Hey guys, I have 2 VTC4's I never use anymore because I'm solely using 26650's now, they just have the amp limits/battery life I need to be happy.

SO! Being the frugal DIY guy that I am, I can't just let my old friends sit there along in my vape station, they've treated me so well over the years, I actually feel a little sad cheating on them with the more attractive 26650's, it's just...they don't put out as much as the Sony 26650 VT's :p. I'm a MAN WITH NEEDS, and the VT's just do it for me. I actually feel a little depressed giving up on them, as they've supported me my entire vaping life, almost like I'm abandoning an old car, or a good dog. Long story short, I'd like to combine the power of 2, and make a Mechanical, Series *&* Parallel box mod.

I thought it would be a cool idea, because I either arrange it for Parallel, and simply build my ohms 2x lower (I like super-sub-ohming, safely of course). OR I can have a different set of "change out-able" contacts, allowing me to build at the regular amp limit I used to, but have 2x the volts! :D

I'm already really excited to get it completed, and have the simple, easy to swap design ready. I'm debating using this silver wire I have, or some larger flat copper bars (like flat rectangles) as the different contacts.

Thus, I'm wondering if ECF has any tips, or safety concerns with this soon-to-be box mod (particularly for series mode) I was debating modifying some old 18650 mods I have to make the entire setup tubular, but I decided it probably wouldn't be the easiest or safest way to do, as shorts would be much easier to accidentally happen.

I've heard some not recommending stacking 18650's, especially when they haven't been "mated", or charged and fired together evenly. Does this go for parallel as well? Is it ok to use two batteries that haven't been charged & used identically. Honestly they've both been used basically identically, I purchased them brand new, always used one while the other was charging, always took them off the charger when done, and I'm sure one hasn't been used more than the other.

I'm planning on using some nice black oak out of a table we used to use from my childhood, I thought this would be a good way to use it before it gets trashed. I have a nice stainless steel button I'm going to use, however I thought it would be cool to make the batteries held in place by magnets, and those magnets be used to repel a bottom button, just like a tubular mod.

~Can 18650's be literally stacked? (I'll most likely wire them side by side in series though.)
~Tips for a good connection? (What shape should the contacts be.)
~Tips for anything safety wise, or in general?

Thank you in advance! :D :vapor:
 

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Well I can tell you if they havnt been in parallel their whole life then its no good, one will discharge faster then the other one will try and charge it among others..
Also batteries in series are some what similar need to be always mated or bad things happen then also when in series it always good to swap battery positions every charging cycle..
Again I am no expert so take it for what's it is that being my understanding of batteries.
As for the rest. .. . IDK Vut id like to see it I've been thinking of building the same except 2 diffrent ones" one parallel the othet series.
Id love somethin to model after


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Well I can tell you if they havnt been in parallel their whole life then its no good, one will discharge faster then the other one will try and charge it among others..
Also batteries in series are some what similar need to be always mated or bad things happen then also when in series it always good to swap battery positions every charging cycle..
Again I am no expert so take it for what's it is that being my understanding of batteries.
As for the rest. .. . IDK Vut id like to see it I've been thinking of building the same except 2 diffrent ones" one parallel the othet series.
Id love somethin to model after


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Sounds good man, thanks for the info, I love how fast 18650's charge compared to 26650's, so I really think I'm going to buy two fresh one's to make this happen. Once I get it down, it's onwards to dual 26650 mode! :p

I'll be sure to post it when it's completed. My plans are pretty damn nice if I say so myself, I'm expecting really low voltage drop because I found some super thick strips (tall rectangles) I'll be using for the "wiring". And it'll be so easy to build/swap between modes it's not even funny. Will update later, thanks again!
 

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While you're at it, I was wondering if you've considered something else related to safety that I've been thinking about.

If you're wiring 2 batteries in parallel and feeding it to a single output (the atty), then by Kirchhoff's Law, the total amperage draw is evenly contributed by each battery (assuming ideal case).

Therefore theoretically if you're using the VTC5s, you could safely run up to a 60amps continuous draw, with each battery contributed to half of that.

Of course I personally don't like the idea of super low sub ohm builds, but having parallel battery configs can really help to increase the safety for those interested in such builds and overcome the battery tech limitations that we are facing currently :)

ETA: that said, you'll need to ensure your circuit components can handle such ridiculous amp draws. Lower gauge wires, switches etc

ETA: oh another interesting thing. Having the batteries in parallel will also greatly reduce the voltage sag experienced by each battery, allowing you to experience a total usage time that will be greater than 2x individual batteries of the same mah ratings.

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While you're at it, I was wondering if you've considered something else related to safety that I've been thinking about.

If you're wiring 2 batteries in parallel and feeding it to a single output (the atty), then by Kirchhoff's Law, the total amperage draw is evenly contributed by each battery (assuming ideal case).

Therefore theoretically if you're using the VTC5s, you could safely run up to a 60amps continuous draw, with each battery contributed to half of that.

Of course I personally don't like the idea of super low sub ohm builds, but having parallel battery configs can really help to increase the safety for those interested in such builds and overcome the battery tech limitations that we are facing currently :)

ETA: that said, you'll need to ensure your circuit components can handle such ridiculous amp draws. Lower gauge wires, switches etc

ETA: oh another interesting thing. Having the batteries in parallel will also greatly reduce the voltage sag experienced by each battery, allowing you to experience a total usage time that will be greater than 2x individual batteries of the same mah ratings.

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That's exactly why I'm building this box kiwi :D, so I can sub-ohm my .... off while still remaining safe. At the most extreme build I've ever done thus far, I haven't gone past 45amps. With this box I plan to finish tomorrow (once I get some new VTC4's), I'll be able to do some "ridiculous" builds, and not even have to come close to bursting territory :), in fact I'm already debating buying two Panasonic 26650 CGR's, and doing the same thing. So I can either vape with 8.4volts, or 100 continuous amps (most likely in series, so I can have larger, more powerful coils, rather than super duper tiny).

Thank you for your input brother, I have some 16ga 99.9999% silver wire that I'll be using to connect everything, I've already tested it out of the box for heat, and it didn't so much as get warm under abuse. So just to be sure I'll heatshrink everything, and I have a plan to use magnets to keep everything safely separated. I'm going to use my favorite mod firing switch (the Turtleship V2's button) as the actuator, should be pretty sweeet!
 

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Well acck. Sounds like you've got it all thought out. Now to actually do it. And from the sounds of your components, I'm expecting to see some ridiculously low VD on that sucker.

Looking forward to seeing how it turns out! (And please do a VD test too. I'm curious as hell about it)


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Sounds good man, thanks for the info, I love how fast 18650's charge compared to 26650's, so I really think I'm going to buy two fresh one's to make this happen. Once I get it down, it's onwards to dual 26650 mode! :p

I'll be sure to post it when it's completed. My plans are pretty damn nice if I say so myself, I'm expecting really low voltage drop because I found some super thick strips (tall rectangles) I'll be using for the "wiring". And it'll be so easy to build/swap between modes it's not even funny. Will update later, thanks again!

Could you describe or send a picture of what you are doing with the "thick strips"?

Thanks!
 

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So back to the topic of running two batteries in series, I was curious as to what the total amp limit is. Say I have two vtc4's which are 30 amps a piece. Would this mean if I run them parallel in a box the total amp limit would be 60 watts?? Or would it still be 30 watts total? I'm really curious cause that would mean I can build even lower! :D
 

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So back to the topic of running two batteries in series, I was curious as to what the total amp limit is. Say I have two vtc4's which are 30 amps a piece. Would this mean if I run them parallel in a box the total amp limit would be 60 watts?? Or would it still be 30 watts total? I'm really curious cause that would mean I can build even lower! :D

Assuming you missed typed and still meant amps and not watts. Theoretically two 30A batteries in parallel would give you a 60A total. Of course the real world does not work under ideal circumstances and the realistic available amps are below that. Difficult to say an exact number as there are many factors that can contribute to the loss. I have seen knowledgable people state a safe amperage to be around is the 1.5x to 1.75x area (45-52A).
 
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