San Francisco considers banning e-cigarettes

[Traver]

This is the best they could come up with.

But the San Francisco Health Department says if it looks like a cigarette and acts like a cigarette it is a cigarette and needs the same restrictions. Dr. Tomas Aragon, the city's health officer, says e-cigarettes are just another nicotine delivery system and send a message to youth that some smoking is OK.

San Francisco considers banning electronic cigarettes | abc7news.com

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[GitMoe]

This whole thing is ridiculous. Some water guns or cap guns look just like real guns but they aren't regulated like real guns. Worst logic ever. If I lived in San Fran I'd be smashing down the doors to city hall and demanding answers. If Philadelphia tries something like this I will go nuts.

 

[Moonflame]

Ban water....looks like vodka....you drink it like vodka....kids might think it's ok to drink vodka if they see adults drinking something that looks like vodka. Seems like the same logic as their argument.

 

[GitMoe]

Honestly as mad as we all get about dumb bans like this we have an advantage over smokers. Stealth vaping. Smokers cant hide the smoke. We can vape without making any vapor. Nobody can stop me from putting something up to my mouth... ever.

 

[Rubicon]

Gitmoe that wont stop San Fransico from trying, because putting something to your mouth looks like your smoking, and smoking is bad, ok, so you cant do that, its for the children. The entire bay area never surprises me anymore, hopefully they legislate themselves off the face of the planet one day, since their very existence isn't green enough.

 

[Traver]

I posted this comment:
Apparently Dr. Tomas Aragon already knows that electronic cigarets have no adverse health consequences since the only excuse he can come up with is his wild speculation about what children will think. If he was truly concerned about children he could have said children should not be allowed to buy e cigs. That's what responsible people do. They do not use children as an excuse to condemn the millions of smokers to lung cancer because they cannot quit smoking. As for nicotine I am sure that as a Dr he knows that nicotine is about as harmful as the caffeine in coffee.

I like the vodka water analogy.

 

[CapableVapable]

 

[Adrena]

I'm not going to be favored here. But I can handle E cig being lumped with thous icky sticks.
I don't need to vape at a bar of wile out eating. It would be nice to yes, but it's not a need.
E cig's being regulated at a tobacco is a good thing in my book, better then BP getting their hands on them.
The lesser of 2 evils as I see it......
As long as smokers and vapres alike stand up for each other and the right to do what we do in our own personal space (home, car, business, etc) out of the prying eyes of others, will we all have a chance.

 

[Traver]

I'm not going to be favored here. But I can handle E cig being lumped with thous icky sticks.
I don't need to vape at a bar of wile out eating. It would be nice to yes, but it's not a need.
E cig's being regulated at a tobacco is a good thing in my book, better then BP getting their hands on them.
The lesser of 2 evils as I see it......
As long as smokers and vapres alike stand up for each other and the right to do what we do in our own personal space (home, car, business, etc) out of the prying eyes of others, will we all have a chance.

What makes you think they will stop at bars and restuarants. NYC already has a ban for parks and landlords can ban them for rentals. They are banned at many a school campus indoors or out. I think banning them for children is more than enough. Until there is proof of some sort of adverse health effect adults should be able to make their own decisions.

 

[Iluvthearmy]

I genuinely enjoy being able to just take a nice calming drag wherever the mood strikes me, and if that offends some poor souls eyes, well too bad. I'm not hurting anyone so why should I just bend over and take it when big brother says I should stop? This isn't some pre-school childs television show it's real life, and you are never going to be able to sanitize every aspect of life you don't approve of. I'd better stop ranting, this soapbox is uncomfortable.

 

[Iluvthearmy]

that sums it all up.

 

[Adrena]

What makes you think they will stop at bars and restuarants. NYC already has a ban for parks and landlords can ban them for rentals. They are banned at many a school campus indoors or out. I think banning them for children is more than enough. Until there is proof of some sort of adverse health effect adults should be able to make their own decisions.

I did not say the law was perfect. I feel landlords and business should have the right to choose what they allow. But ppl aren't voting on issues like these.....
Move form the offending Rental weather smoking or non, then the powers that be will see we just want to be.
Open 2 pool halls one smoking and one non, See which gets the greens.
My point is/was I'd rather fight the tobacco laws then Big Pharm.
To me an e cig is still a cig...

 

[Iluvthearmy]

That's just it.It is NOT a cig, it looks like a cig in some cases and some have nicotine. But it is in no way a cig.there is no burning tobacco, there are no detrimental second hand effects on those around you, and it doesn't make a room smell like bar. Not to mention the lack of thousands of deadly chemicals. Taking the "wait and see because they might be right" stance will get us nowhere.
Also why allow an erroneous law to be put in to begin with just to fight it later? stop the madness before it starts is the best way to keep the world sane. But I must say that you are 100% right as far as rentals and personally owned establishments go. that should allways be up to the owner.

 

[Vocalek]

To illustrate the foolishness of the SF BoH stance:

It's liquid. It comes in brown bottles. When you pour it into a glass, it foams up. Dr. Thomas Aragon today announced that Root Beer cannot be served in any restaurant that does not have a liquor license. "If it looks like beer, and acts like beer, it is beer, and needs the same restrictions." Dr. Aragon stated that children who witness adults sipping Root Beer could be fooled into believing that some beer drinking is OK.

 

[Iluvthearmy]

Vocalek, it's that kind of perfectly stated common sense that gets ignored at every turn.

 

[Traver]

My point is/was I'd rather fight the tobacco laws then Big Pharm.
To me an e cig is still a cig...

I'm not sure what this means.


I think it is Big Pharm that is lobbying against pv's. My point is that there is no reason for these bans on pv's and that's what we want to get across. There is no smoke, no second hand smoke and no smell. So why should they be banned anywhere?

 

[CapableVapable]

Saying there's no smell is inaccurate. Not that it's any reason for a ban of this nature, but we don't need to exaggerate to make our point.

 

[Placebo Effect]

Can a mod move this to the Legislation News forum?

I've got a friend who recently moved from NJ to right outside San Francisco. He hated that I was a smoker and was thrilled when I quit with my e-cig, so I suspect he'll be more than willing to testify against the ban when the time comes.

 

[Iluvthearmy]

actually had a couple that smelled pretty bad that I couldn't use in the office. But more often than not if there is a smell it's a pretty good one compared with all the other odors permeating a room full of people.

 

[Traver]

actually had a couple that smelled pretty bad that I couldn't use in the office. But more often than not if there is a smell it's a pretty good one compared with all the other odors permeating a room full of people.

I guess I was wrong about the smell. I often drive with avid anti smokers and when I ask if they can smell anything or if the vapor bothers them it has always been no. Must be different juices.