Saw Tasty Vapor for Sale at My Local Mall...

[blackwalk]

I don't think that's kewl at all because in the end it's tastyvapor's name on it. 3rd party you lose quality control! They could be selling 2 year old bottles, and who knows what's been done to it. And all that person sees is tastyvapor. So if it's a bum bottle it reflects negatively on TV. Not cool in my book

That's true of all retail outlets for just about everything made. Repeat business is the lifeblood of these types of outlets, if they did anything to the product or let it go bad, then they are the one's who bear the brunt of the complaints. After all, if you buy a bad bag of chips, do you swear off Lay's products or the convience store that sold it to you?

 

[Ncjasonr]

Kiosks annoy me though, the one at my mall sells kr808 kits for 150 (just 2 batteries, a charger and 5 cartos) but the salesmen informed me that for me he'd let one go for $120! Hahahahahahaha!! What's sad is people pay it cause they've been in business awhile when I know (because I know where to find wholesalers from china) that I can get the same kits for around 18 a piece when I order 20 or more. But on the same note kiosks aren't cheap to rent, and employees, credit card services and so on cost money. Theeeeennnn throw the house and car the owner has that he or she can't afford......... $25 for the mall is about right, but 20 would be fair IMHO. Buuuuuut to keep the name on the label and sale it as TV liquid would only be ok if Geoff were ok with it, but then again it would only help by getting advertising for free.

 

[Poeia]

I can get the same kits for around 18 a piece when I order 20 or more. <snip> $25 for the mall is about right, but 20 would be fair IMHO.

You think they should buy them for $18 and sell them for $20? Why would anyone go into business for $2 per sale? They'd have to sell thousands a day to make any sort of profit.

 

[Ncjasonr]

You think they should buy them for $18 and sell them for $20? Why would anyone go into business for $2 per sale? They'd have to sell thousands a day to make any sort of profit.

Sorry should have specified, 20 for a bottle of TV liquid would be fair. If I paid rent for a kiosk I'd sell kits for $50. I'd sell a lot of kits at that price too, that's less than a lot of online places also.

 

[blackwalk]

What's sad is people pay it cause they've been in business awhile when I know (because I know where to find wholesalers from china) that I can get the same kits for around 18 a piece when I order 20 or more. But on the same note kiosks aren't cheap to rent, and employees, credit card services and so on cost money. ... Buuuuuut to keep the name on the label and sale it as TV liquid would only be ok if Geoff were ok with it, but then again it would only help by getting advertising for free.

You also pay a lower price because you are willing to work with Chinese suppliers, wait for your goods to arrive (if they arrive), and are willing to deal with the quality issues.

It always sounds simple on the face of it as to what a fair markup should be. It's not. The 'and so on' from your post leaves out hundreds of additional expenses and headaches which crush your profit margin if not handled appropriately.

Would you tear the Hane's label out of a tshirt if you were reselling it? If you have bought a quality product for resale, you want the label on it so people know you are selling a quality product. Why should TV be any different?

 

[Ncjasonr]

You also pay a lower price because you are willing to work with Chinese suppliers, wait for your goods to arrive (if they arrive), and are willing to deal with the quality issues.

It always sounds simple on the face of it as to what a fair markup should be. It's not. The 'and so on' from your post leaves out hundreds of additional expenses and headaches which crush your profit margin if not handled appropriately.

Would you tear the Hane's label out of a tshirt if you were reselling it? If you have bought a quality product for resale, you want the label on it so people know you are selling a quality product. Why should TV be any different?

Was that post too vague?? The " and so on" was so I didn't have to go into the vast expenses that a small business owner would encounter, not a naive statement into how I'd run a business. If you'd like a business plan to spell it out, next time I get a few mins I'll put something together for ya believe me Im savvy. And hands down $150 for a kit with 2 batteries and a charger is highway robbery by anyones standards. Second you missed the point I was trying to make about selling a brand without the owners consent (which none of us know is or isn't the case) but selling a brand and not storing it correctly possibly giving a customer bad liquid would could bring a bad name to a good brand (in my humble humble opinion). But again who knows. ( and by who I mean you, me, people in this forum, the guy next door, and so on ) sorry if that came off kinda snide, I kinda got a "you're stupid" vibe from you post And I hate being in a forum, trying to make friends and someone wanting to flex the ole noggin on me, seriously it's annoying. If that's not what you meant then I apologize (seriously i do) if you meant what I took then "come back and I shall taunt you a second time!!!"

 

[blackwalk]

Was that post too vague?? The " and so on" was so I didn't have to go into the vast expenses that a small business owner would encounter, not a naive statement into how I'd run a business. If you'd like a business plan to spell it out, next time I get a few mins I'll put something together for ya believe me Im savvy. And hands down $150 for a kit with 2 batteries and a charger is highway robbery by anyones standards. Second you missed the point I was trying to make about selling a brand without the owners consent (which none of us know is or isn't the case) but selling a brand and not storing it correctly possibly giving a customer bad liquid would could bring a bad name to a good brand (in my humble humble opinion). But again who knows. ( and by who I mean you, me, people in this forum, the guy next door, and so on ) sorry if that came off kinda snide, I kinda got a "you're stupid" vibe from you post And I hate being in a forum, trying to make friends and someone wanting to flex the ole noggin on me, seriously it's annoying. If that's not what you meant then I apologize (seriously i do) if you meant what I took then "come back and I shall taunt you a second time!!!"

I think we have similar writing styles which can be taken wrong if read through thin skin. Time is wasted with a lot of text apologizing for possible misunderstandings. I don't intend to come off as rude, but I want to waste time or text softening the message for the easily offended.

To your first point regarding $150 for a starter kit: It's not robbery in any sense of the word unless you are suggesting that the operators are forcing people to buy. If a prospect doesn't want to spend the time or effort finding a better deal elsewhere, then why should they complain about the price they are paying? Every day people overpay for products because they can't be bothered to look at cheaper alternatives (online or otherwise).

To your second point regarding a business plan: Unless you understand what rent and labor actually run for the local area, then how can you say that $5 over cost per bottle is a fair margin? The rental for a kiosk at my local mall is a little over $2000 a month. That's a lot of bottles resold just to cover one component of the cost of goods.

To your primary point about reselling: The reseller loses business if they don't keep the product in good shape. They're hoping for repeat business after all. The danger of improperly stored product is minimal. And quite honestly, TV juice is good enough that even if it did lose some flavor, it would still be better than the no-name juice that's sitting next to it on the vendors shelf.

 

[Sethari]

To be honest, I would happily pay the extra five dollars for instant gratification. It’s not like it would be taking business away from Geoff. I asked about the kiosk in the MV forum and it’s not actually run by Modern Vapor. It’s just a wholesaler who’s acquiring products from several quality sources and reselling them. I think it’s awesome. Yes, there’s a small markup (the guy’s gotta eat) but at least they are selling quality items as opposed to the other generic kiosk rip-offs. On top of everything else, it puts TV’s name out there and customers who buy a bottle will likely wind up at TV’s site and if they think the markup is too much they can take that into their own hands.

 

[Poeia]

The advantage would be that the liquid would probably have aged by the time you buy it.

The disadvantage -- whatever you want, they won't have.
Each flavor can be ordered in 14 standardized strength/vg combinations:
~48mg with 0% vg
~48mg with 10% vg
~36mg with 0% vg
~36mg with 10% vg
~36mg with 20% vg
~24mg with 0% vg
~24mg with 10% vg
~24mg with 20% vg
~24mg with 35% vg
~12mg with 0% vg
~12mg with 10% vg
~12mg with 20% vg
~12mg with 35% vg
~12mg with 50% vg

Sweetened vs. unsweetend? Now you have 28 possibilities for each flavor.

There are 45 premium flavors (assuming you like your cheesecake and your waffles plain*) which brings us to 1,260 premium combinations. And we haven't gotten to doublers yet.



*In addition to plain, there are 25 single flavors of cheesecake available and 300 possible pairs. With waffle currently in the CYO section, there might be close to an infinite number of flavor combinations you can order for that.

 

[Ncjasonr]

I think we have similar writing styles which can be taken wrong if read through thin skin. Time is wasted with a lot of text apologizing for possible misunderstandings. I don't intend to come off as rude, but I want to waste time or text softening the message for the easily offended.

To your first point regarding $150 for a starter kit: It's not robbery in any sense of the word unless you are suggesting that the operators are forcing people to buy. If a prospect doesn't want to spend the time or effort finding a better deal elsewhere, then why should they complain about the price they are paying? Every day people overpay for products because they can't be bothered to look at cheaper alternatives (online or otherwise).

To your second point regarding a business plan: Unless you understand what rent and labor actually run for the local area, then how can you say that $5 over cost per bottle is a fair margin? The rental for a kiosk at my local mall is a little over $2000 a month. That's a lot of bottles resold just to cover one component of the cost of goods.

To your primary point about reselling: The reseller loses business if they don't keep the product in good shape. They're hoping for repeat business after all. The danger of improperly stored product is minimal. And quite honestly, TV juice is good enough that even if it did lose some flavor, it would still be better than the no-name juice that's sitting next to it on the vendors shelf.

Yea, Im a big fan of being blunt myself sooo no worries, I just cant stand condescending people, but thoughtful debate, Im always up for.

Ok, $2000 is pretty steep but I guess thats a given for panama city, its maybe half that in Pensacola.

Heres what I would do if I had the time (active duty military makes anything else tough) and what I would charge and why and how in theory it would work:

Again, 808 kits for 18 a piece shipped (it goes down to around $16 after 50 or more if my memory is right) Resell for $60. $60 makes it easyier to the average Joe to start vaping, and its a pretty interesting price because "Save %80 more money than you would with traditional cigarettes, stop stinking, cut the tar, arsenic, carbon minoxide, and 4000 other harmful chemicals out of your life without the grumpiness of quiting...... Get started for the price of a carton of your favorite cigarettes!!!!" Most people who see me using mine always say "I'd like to try those but theres no way I'd spend 150 bucks for a kit!" I tell them where to find them at the price I get them and within a week normally anyone whos interested comes to me and shows me they ordered one and then asks about my flavor suggestions. Thats only people I know and half have made the switch because they know how much I loved smoking and if i quit, why cant they. Now a booth selling them for 150 will only get a few casuall glances, a buyer here and there, but what they normally have worked into their weekly budgets for a carton of smokes..... You will see intrigue. and its 200% profit from the wholesale. Not to mention 1 sale a day and rent is covered (give or take a few bucks) and couple more covers would cover the the credit card service for a year! Offer 2 kit deals for couples lets say 100 bucks and you could have married couples switch, what im doing is building volume, a busy saturday could easyliy cover a week! even slow sales in the week and youre in the green. Nowwwww E-liquid sales and cartomizers heres where you can make money, in bulk carts can be as low as $1.50 a pack with $8 being the going rate retail (profit speaks for itself) and the E-liquid that got this conversation started, well if you buy a 1oz with 36mg like I do and a 2 oz doubler you get 3ozs for $30 shipped! at 20 bucks a 1 oz bottle thats 100% profit, or for people who might not know what flavor they want 10 oz bottles for $10, or 5 oz for $5 <-----PROFIT. Order in bulk and you get it cheaper from TV. And $20 is the price for a bottle shipped from TV so you got that covered AND they get the convenience! yes you wont get to customize as much but hey 35% VG will satisfy the smoking simulation so that would be a safe bet IMHO. Thats how you sell cheap and make money! and save lives of course. Not to mention the stuff most kiosks sell is crap around here and they dont sell e-liquid just pre-filled cartos at steep prices. I'd make a few enemies in the mall but moneys money and business is business soooo there ya go an abstract Idea with a few of the bases you mentioned covered. E cigs at the mall at a fair price.

 

[Gotcoffee]

Open a shop in Vegas. Make sample sizes also. I would gladly pay extra. I don't think that is a bad deal to not have to wait for an item. Believe me there has been times I ran out of juice I liked and wish I could of picked up some TV juice down the road. Good luck on your business.

 

[Vidi]

I have to agree that price is reasonable. Really reasonable in fact. I would expect it to be even more once you include shipping into the retailers cost.

 

[Xanax]

Soooo... Has Geoff ever commented on this or what? What's going on with this?

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

My comment is: Third party rule, just like the co-ops, we'll answer for liquids you purchased directly from our website. We have no sales point other than our website. So if you see one of our liquids at a mall kiosk, while it may have ORIGINALLY been a Tasty Vapor liquid, you buy at your own risk. It's third party wares.

 

[NewUnit16]

Hopefully in the future you will be in a position to be a manufacturer and we will see TV liquid at the local smoke shops! If only I was in a position to invest in your business and speed up that process, because I see great things for Tasty Vapor's future.