Scientific (?) Studies

[Dave L]

I've been doing some research on the scientific studies that have been done related to e-cigs. While a few appear to be objective, most of the ones I'm finding are plainly biased and have an anti-vape agenda, and I just don't get it. First of all, it's a no-brainer that ingesting nicotine in any form isn't exactly good for you. The advantages of vaping lie in the area of harm-reduction and savings, and I can't figure out why anyone would object to that. You don't like my vaping because it looks like I found a way to have my cake and eat it too? Deal with it, a**hole! Some guy has a houseful of mods that cost as much as my car? What business is that of mine?

I've found articles in Forbes, Bloomberg and other venues claiming that vaping is harmful, usually based on laughably small or biased studies. Positive mentions like this one, this one and this one don't seem to get published in such prominent venues.

What's the big deal? Why all the negativity? Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

[darkhood]

Because big tobacco's reach extends far beyond just the manufacturing of cigarettes...this country is just a business, a huge corporation and big tobacco is a major shareholder...they stand to lose a lot of $ to vaping and already have so they're doing what they can to fight that.

What they should be doing is investing in disposables like the company that bought Blu (lorillard?)...they got the right idea....

 

[mostlyclassics]

It's called crony capitalism, and it's the American Way.

Suppressing your competition by having a bought-off and compliant government outlaw it has a long and dishonorable history in this country. My understanding of American history is that both Republicans and Democrats have been equally guilty.

 

[YKruss]

First of all, it's a no-brainer that ingesting nicotine in any form isn't exactly good for you.

Can you clarify - that quote is your saying or the quote from anti-vape articles?

 

[Uncle Willie]

Because big tobacco's reach extends far beyond just the manufacturing of cigarettes...this country is just a business, a huge corporation and big tobacco is a major shareholder...they stand to lose a lot of $ to vaping and already have so they're doing what they can to fight that.

What they should be doing is investing in disposables like the company that bought Blu (lorillard?)...they got the right idea....

Lorillard is BT .. the third largest manufacturer of cigarettes in the United States. .. and regardless of the political commentary that runs thru ECF, in some cases, BT is actually the friend of the PV user ..

 

[mostlyclassics]

Not exactly true, Uncle Willie. Lorillard's ideal would be to have all the other companies' vaping hardware and e-liquids effectively banned so that Blu would have a monopoly position in the e-cigarettes market.

 

[jfalbanese]

the FDA in bed with big tobacco, in bed with politicians, in bed with the non stop 24 hour conflictinator news cycle. if we can't DE humanize smokers, god help who is next.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Not exactly true, Uncle Willie. Lorillard's ideal would be to have all the other companies' vaping hardware and e-liquids effectively banned so that Blu would have a monopoly position in the e-cigarettes market.

As is any company ideal .. until/ / if that unfolds, they will defend their ability to market BLU .. which, believe it or not, does have a backdoor benefit on all users of any PV ..

 

[StormFinch]

I'm just going to insert a quote by one of the smartest people I know on the subject of e-cigarettes. He says it all: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/388175-help-me-understand.html#post8835737

The big problem with vaping is the money. The money, that is, that everyone else will lose.

Smoking makes hundreds of billions of dollars for the government, for States, for the cigarette industry, and for the pharmaceutical industry (mainly in the form of the drug sales for treatment of sick smokers, a market which is probably 30 times the size of the smoking cessation drug market).

Ecigs would potentially hit this gravy train by 50% or more if left unchallenged; so you have a situation where the powerful and the rich are very angry and worried. They are going to do everything they can to either stop ecigs, or claw back some money somehow. Look who loses:

- Government takes a 50% hit in tobacco tax revenue. Ouch!

- States take a 50% hit on tobacco tax revenue. Some of them are near-bankrupt and desperately need that tobacco money to balance their books.

- The cigarette trade lose 50% of sales. Painful, but at least they knew this was coming: cigarette sales in the West are going to fall year on year anyway, partly as a result of black market tobacco as the tax is so high. In the UK, about 15 to 20% of tobacco sales are now black market (a pack of cigs is over $10 due to the tax) and that figure will grow every year. But: the tobacco industry can at least make alternative plans by getting into Snus, ecigs, dissolvables etc. They'll have to.

- The pharmaceutical industry will lose 50% from their sick smoker treatment drug market, which may be around $100bn a year. The $3bn market for smoking cessation (NRT and pschoactive drugs) would probably take a 75% hit as eventually too many people will find out about the 9 out of 10 failure rate and compare it to a far better product with a far better success rate (ecigs). Many other income channels will also be hit hard, since if 50% of smokers move to ecigs and Snus, public health improves to such an extent that many drug sales are reduced.

So all in all you have many rich and powerful interests who are desperate to kill off ecigs. They own the media and government agencies such as the FDA. On our side we have the voice of the community (the size of which has shocked the opposition as they would never have believed it possible), plus the funds of the ecig trade to mount legal challenges.

We are outgunned because they hold the power, but we have some good plays we can make. Above all we need more numbers, to make this a voting issue.

 

[glasseye]

This might help (and maybe someone else can give the thread a bump )
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/388257-new-e-cig-e-book-now-available.html
The book is informative and maddening. days later I'm still trying to formulate a review without foaming at the mouth.