I'm guessing the oft reported 'relaxed' part of the 'focused but relaxed' findings. I only get an exaggerated buzz after long flights
One from Kona to Detroit, I had to sit down 
"Scientists" use vapor to study cigarette smoke. Science laughs.
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I'm guessing the oft reported 'relaxed' part of the 'focused but relaxed' findings. I only get an exaggerated buzz after long flights
One from Kona to Detroit, I had to sit down 
Hm... about the cognitive enhancement of nicotine AND the habit of inhaling something (e.g. smoke or vapor with nicotine), drawing it in deeply, getting calm, very calm, getting collected, very collected.... blowing it out slowly, repeating the process.. and BAM: being ready for just about anything ...
- here is a small anecdote from my own life:
I work in an office. And I used to work directly in sales, taking care of our sales department's regular customers. Sometimes there was a difficult phone call to make. Something that needs focus. And a little preparation in my mind. - Well, when we were able to smoke in the office, I (and many others) used to light a cigarette before that difficult phone call. Inhale deeply... get calm... collect our thoughts.. concentrate.... and the right thoughts and ideas would come. Then we would pick up the receiver and make the call, well prepared.
Then the smoking ban came in the office. Hm... I bought a pack of nicotine gum. Let's see if this serves the purpose. I could chew on this stuff - chew hard to get that nicotine. Yeah, it went "BAM" as if a horse had kicked me (Like when I used to chew caffeine pills as a young lady). Sure, I was alert. But the thoughts did not come. None of them. It was not the same. Not the same at all. I tried it 2-3 times. Then stopped that. And threw the package away about 2 years later when I found it in my drawer.
To me - personally - it is the combination of the nicotine and the action. The nicotine will not work without the action. And the action will not work without the nicotine. But both together, that works just fine.
That was an anecdote from my own experience. And I use this combination when I write stories, when I write things online, when I read texts, reflect on things, etc. This combination most definitely helps me concentrate. The action, which is like a small "meditation" and helps me collect my thoughts, and the nicotine, which works (for me) as a little picker-upper
- here is a small anecdote from my own life:
I work in an office. And I used to work directly in sales, taking care of our sales department's regular customers. Sometimes there was a difficult phone call to make. Something that needs focus. And a little preparation in my mind. - Well, when we were able to smoke in the office, I (and many others) used to light a cigarette before that difficult phone call. Inhale deeply... get calm... collect our thoughts.. concentrate.... and the right thoughts and ideas would come. Then we would pick up the receiver and make the call, well prepared.
Then the smoking ban came in the office. Hm... I bought a pack of nicotine gum. Let's see if this serves the purpose. I could chew on this stuff - chew hard to get that nicotine. Yeah, it went "BAM" as if a horse had kicked me (Like when I used to chew caffeine pills as a young lady). Sure, I was alert. But the thoughts did not come. None of them. It was not the same. Not the same at all. I tried it 2-3 times. Then stopped that. And threw the package away about 2 years later when I found it in my drawer.
To me - personally - it is the combination of the nicotine and the action. The nicotine will not work without the action. And the action will not work without the nicotine. But both together, that works just fine.
That was an anecdote from my own experience. And I use this combination when I write stories, when I write things online, when I read texts, reflect on things, etc. This combination most definitely helps me concentrate. The action, which is like a small "meditation" and helps me collect my thoughts, and the nicotine, which works (for me) as a little picker-upper
Hm... about the cognitive enhancement of nicotine AND the habit of inhaling something (e.g. smoke or vapor with nicotine), drawing it in deeply, getting calm, very calm, getting collected, very collected.... blowing it out slowly, repeating the process.. and BAM: being ready for just about anything ...
- here is a small anecdote from my own life:
I work in an office. And I used to work directly in sales, taking care of our sales department's regular customers. Sometimes there was a difficult phone call to make. Something that needs focus. And a little preparation in my mind. - Well, when we were able to smoke in the office, I (and many others) used to light a cigarette before that difficult phone call. Inhale deeply... get calm... collect our thoughts.. concentrate.... and the right thoughts and ideas would come. Then we would pick up the receiver and make the call, well prepared.
Then the smoking ban came in the office. Hm... I bought a pack of nicotine gum. Let's see if this serves the purpose. I could chew on this stuff - chew hard to get that nicotine. Yeah, it went "BAM" as if a horse had kicked me (Like when I used to chew caffeine pills as a young lady). Sure, I was alert. But the thoughts did not come. None of them. It was not the same. Not the same at all. I tried it 2-3 times. Then stopped that. And threw the package away about 2 years later when I found it in my drawer.
To me - personally - it is the combination of the nicotine and the action. The nicotine will not work without the action. And the action will not work without the nicotine. But both together, that works just fine.
That was an anecdote from my own experience. And I use this combination when I write stories, when I write things online, when I read texts, reflect on things, etc. This combination most definitely helps me concentrate. The action, which is like a small "meditation" and helps me collect my thoughts, and the nicotine, which works (for me) as a little picker-upper
Why rather than restricting and prohibiting vaping (or smoking for that matter) in the workplace, it should be mandatory
And if you can smoke in the workplace, you don't need 'smoke breaks' 
Why rather than restricting and prohibiting vaping (or smoking for that matter) in the workplace, it should be mandatory
I've thought this for YEARS. And also that since the gov't is sucking on smokers like leeches, we ought to have free rein to do our thing anywhere, anytime -- tobacco taxes are basically keeping the gov't afloat! But no, we were treated as particularly nasty lepers, and now they want to do the same thing to us as vapers -- and there are people so brainwashed by that leper treatment that they think we ought to go along with it, and only vape where it's "permitted" to smoke!
I say the prohibitionists ought to get over themselves! Andria
You and me both - and it's interesting, I think we're in a minority. Not many people seem to get a buzz from nicotine.
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Well said indeed.
And I suppose that the employers just have to deal with the lost productivity.
It's just such a common human failing, this assumption that just because *I* don't want to do something, then NO ONE should want to do it, and that it shouldn't be done AT ALL -- non-smokers are so certain of this, that because THEY have no need to smoke, then no one else does either, and no one SHOULD want to do that awful, foul, stinky thing, and when smokers say they "need" a smoke, they just want to be lazy for a few minutes -- never imagining for a single moment that if smokers (and now, vapers) could just get what they need, they'd be WORLDS more productive!
I'm really getting about tired of it, this myopic vision so infuriatingly common in the human race.It happens here, too, and I've had to learn to overcome it in myself -- because *I* can't use much VG, then it's just awful stuff -- but there are plenty here who feel that way about PG, and who sometimes have gone to great lengths to try and convince me that VG making me short of breath is all in my imagination, that 100% VG will fix it completely! (and it might, actually -- if I died of asphyxiation, I really wouldn't care about any of this!)
Andria
As with any psychotropic substance, frequency of use probably has a lot to do with it. I was never a heavy smoker, and I got a buzz every time I had a cigarette. It was the main reason why I enjoyed smoking. Once in a while I'd get to smoking more than usual, and the result would always be that I didn't get a buzz anymore. I didn't really see the point of smoking if the most enjoyable aspect of it was gone, so that's why I always stayed around 1/2 PAD or less.
This thread seems like a good place to once again give my personal experience.
This is something I have been saying since day one, and I've said it many times in many different ways...
I'm not saying that nobody ever gets addicted to nicotine alone, as I'm sure there are some that do.
But I wasn't not one of them, and am most assuredly now not one of them.
But I was very much addicted to smoking.
This is something I have been saying since day one, and I've said it many times in many different ways...
So true, and it is something that non-smokers will probably never understand.
Heck, there are a lot of smokers that don't even understand.
I smoked in order to take a break from life for 10 minutes.
Sometimes it was to think something through, sometimes it was to get ready for something.
Sometimes it was to deal with stress, sometimes it was to get away from a situation that made me uncomfortable.
Sometimes it was just a reward for getting something done.
I was not a social smoker in any way, and in fact did not want to talk at all when I had a smoke break.
Having a smoke let me get away, have something mindless to do with my hands, rhythmic breathing, watching the smoke.
I planned my days, solved my problems, calmed down, or just escaped for a bit.
I'm not saying that nobody ever gets addicted to nicotine alone, as I'm sure there are some that do.
But I wasn't not one of them, and am most assuredly now not one of them.
But I was very much addicted to smoking.
Quality lol
I did when I was 13 and first started smoking. Since then (40 ys!) not at all, although if I ever had to go for over an hour without a cigarette, when I finally did get to smoke, sometimes it made me a little dizzy; not sure if that was just the hr-long deprivation, or because when I finally got to smoke, I went at it like a maniac.
And yes, to me, an hour without a cigarette was a major hardship, so it's absolutely certain that I was absolutely addicted, and even when I started vaping, I had no thought of quitting cigarettes -- it just seemed so easy with e-cigs, I figured, why not.
Andria
That was most likely due to carbon monoxide robbing your brain of oxygen.I did when I was 13 and first started smoking. Since then (40 ys!) not at all, although if I ever had to go for over an hour without a cigarette, when I finally did get to smoke, sometimes it made me a little dizzy; not sure if that was just the hr-long deprivation, or because when I finally got to smoke, I went at it like a maniac.
I got that same "buzz" from the first cigarette of the day, and it usually lasted for about one minute.
However, I can't discount the idea that some people DO get some kind of buzz from nicotine.
I do think that if it is true for some, it is probably somewhat rare.
I just know for certain that I never did.
I never got a buzz from a cigarette either.
And I did not enjoy that carbon monoxide feeling. Not at all. But I had no choice. I had to put up with this, to get what I want.
Now I do have a choice. And I enjoy it very much
And I did not enjoy that carbon monoxide feeling. Not at all. But I had no choice. I had to put up with this, to get what I want.
Now I do have a choice. And I enjoy it very much
I never got a buzz from a cigarette either.
And I did not enjoy that carbon monoxide feeling. Not at all. But I had no choice. I had to put up with this, to get what I want.
Now I do have a choice. And I enjoy it very much
I used to like it, but then, I was usually dizzy already from some other substance, so hey, the more the merrier.
I'm past that now, and when I've gotten the head-spins from vaping too much 12mg at the tasting bar, I didn't really care for the feeling.Which makes me think maybe it *was* the nicotine that made me dizzy, because sure enough, if I vape too high nicotine now, I get the head spins. And I'm *very* sensitive to too much nicotine, but then, my liver is so pristine now, an aspirin probably gives it a buzz.
Andria
I don't get all the drama here, In fact the idea makes perfect sense. Study the act (ritual) and possibly the effect of nicotine in isolation from other factors that may or may not have contributed to the addictiveness of cigarettes. In fact it provides the possibility of double blind trials where neither the subjects nor those administering the tests will know who is getting nicotine and who's getting PG/VG. Everything is not a conspiracy and assuming it is just makes you look crazy. Next thing we'll have people claiming the moon landing was faked (like the Russians would have let us get away with that).
Ok, I think you look crazy when you get all worked up by what appears to be perfectly reasonable and legitimate avenue of study.
I don't see any drama here. I see people pointing out the flaws in a study design. If you don't think those flaws exist, more power to you.
1. I'm pretty sure no one practices a smoking ritual that involves climbing into an MRI tube before they light up.
2. The effects of nicotine in isolation are already well understood. It has little to no potential for abuse or dependence. Even the FDA agrees on that.
From which we would learn what exactly?
When did anyone in this thread say anything about a conspiracy?
Which one? We went to the moon nine times and landed on it six times.
It's a Yahoo news article I seriously doubt it provides sufficient data for you to critique the study's design or methodology.
I'm pretty sure most people don't make a habit of crawling into an MRI to .........e but they've still used it as a method to study human brain activities during orgasm.
But the affects of it when combined with the behaviors is not ergo the study.
Who knows? That's one of the wonderful things about science sometimes you find things you don't expect. If we only studied things we were certain would produce results we'd still be living in huts and burning whale fat for light.
Seriously? You have actually been reading your thread haven't you?
Perhaps my tinfoil hat is malfunctioning, but this study appears to me as just another underhanded attempt to conflate vaping with smoking. This study doesn't even pay lip service to the usual ANTZ lies, misrepresentation of evidence, or other propaganda tactics. It states it as a self-evident fact that vaping and smoking have the same "effect on the brain". Claims of similar "addiction" potential are also made in the same tone.
Doesn't stop people from claiming it was all a hoax.
While you may not have intended it to fire up peoples conspiracy bug it doesn't take much around here to fan those flames. Maybe it's a crappy study with crap methodology I don't know, and unless you've seen more than that article neither do you. But we've just went through 8 pages of paranoia and dubious opinions and pseudo-scientific nonsense masquerading as fact. Right up to your "Nicotine" isn't additive none-sense.
This kind of crap doesn't serve vaper's or the cause in any positive manner, I don't want vaping associated with fringe crazies who make unsound unfounded claims about stuff they don't actually understand. I don't want it to be associated with the anti-vax movement or the anti-fluoride craziness.
We don't need it, cool rational arguments are on our side. Science is on our side a study like the one described will at worse be inconclusive and teach us nothing (kind of like 99.99% of every experiment ever) on the other hand it could actually provide some unanticipated but incredibly useful piece of data that could lead to other discoveries. It's kind of how the scientific method works.
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