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AndriaD

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I cannot thank you enough Andria for putting a name finally on what has always been a nameless outrage to me ... "Puritan Morality" OMG you've belled that cat for me ... As I said, I hate analogs but it's the outrageous mind bending taunts of these types of crusaders that infuriate me.

I'm from a particular religious belief system for another example : Many who know me automatically assume for example that I would also condone any Puritan idea that belched from the mouth of Charles Stanley or Joyce Myer just on personal principles and they couldn't be farther from the truth about me on that assumption ... I hate people who make everything hard to do or to be ... as if something is only worthwhile if it has an incredible Bruce Lee like need to be complicated, near unreachable, or that reeks of 'the wise ones' while everyone else are deemed uninformed Neophytes ... such freekin human vanity and self need to be seen as something special .... thank you for naming the beast !

I think the most notable value of your term also causes one to understand just how primitive some of these Puritan idealists are about their ideas of what's 'rightest' for the world ... Let's none of us forget that if SOME of these Puritans had their way we'd not have machinery, autos, vapers, nor in fact business suits and ties ....

I agree with all that, completely. And that's the main reason I'm not religious at all -- not an atheist either, though some would have it that if I'm not 'saved' then I must be a satanist or something -- as if THEIR way is the ONLY way (just like the ANTZ!). :D I just always try to find the "next right thing" -- whatever that might be. Very simple in concept, though sometimes challenging in operation! :D

I've *never* understood why those mentally-constipated folks think that pleasure is so evil, and I never will -- certainly, if something pleasurable causes harm, to oneself or to others, then it's not something that ought to be done, but pleasure that harms no one -- HARMS NO ONE! As for nicotine... well, I suppose the potential for harm is there, just as with caffeine, or alcohol, or even sex -- the point is to not let the seeking of pleasure overtake one's entire life -- but the mentally-constipated can't seem to wrap their tiny minds around that fine point, and would just ban all pleasure and enjoyment, on principle. Those people don't deserve to remain among us, and really ought to be locked away, along with those who do seek pleasure and enjoyment to the exclusion of all else. Let them bedevil each other. :D

The limited mind seems to prefer extremes -- but moderation is the key to just about everything.

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There is a lot of money to be had from Grants, Fed money, State money etc., for anti smoking organizations and scientists, and yes, even CVS. In order for them to get their share of the money pie, they have to say certain things and take action on it. That's how it works.

So commercials, articles, lectures, etc., are part of the anti smoking "education" they must do in order to get their money. In the case of CVS, they may experience a decrease of revenue from not selling cigarettes, but believe me they're making it up through anti smoking grants/money. CVS is in business to make money, and is not a philanthropic entity.

not to mention smokers won't be at the counter smelling of freshly burnt tobacco taunting those mid quit attempt there to get their chantix prescription, nicorette, nicoderm, etc.

sure, it's likely a ploy for free gov't money... and pharma money... and likely increase sales in the anti category.

something tells me once the well dries up, they'll be back on the shelves.
 

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BPA in plastic is harmful. Wrong

Organic food is healthier for you and the environment. Wrong ( plants only intake inorganic nutrients)

Recycling saves oil. Wrong ( it wastes oil)

Chlorine in tap water is bad. Wrong

Secondhand smoke is bad. Wrong

Global warming? What a joke. The ice caps have expanded to a record peak.

1) Depends on how you define harmful. I consider it pretty bad from the varied sources I've read.
2) Yes, if we all changed to organic produce/meat it would be devastating to the environment. The area needed to produce food in that manner for so many would cause havock. The issue of non-organically grown plant based food is not what's in them as much as what's on them and what runs off the field into the water shed.
3) Correct. If you assume the oil used to gather the natural resources (oil, metals, trees) would be used regardless.
4) True. Very helpful in reducing water borne pathogens.
5) Totally a matter of concentration. Sometimes yes and sometimes no.
6) Outright false. Signal noise is not growth.

Try to vary your sources of scientific information if you use articles produced for mass consumption. Otherwise, stick with peer reviewed sources, if you can handle the irrelevant volume and technical style of writing. Your list, seems to me, to be from science related articles with a singular political agenda.
 
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CVS makes their money on BOOZE!
They have undercut prices of every liquor store in my town.
Look at the increase in alcoholism worldwide. In the UK they are doing liver transplants on 20 year olds.
In the US, they don't even talk about it. $$$$$
BT will get the herb market.

The only problem I see with the last statement is there no difficult curing process like tobacco. Home production is just too easy.
 

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See, the only effect any anti-smoking ad has ever had on me was to make me want a smoke.

My wife (who neither smokes nor vapes) has the same gut reaction. Guess we're both contrary

The only effect the CVS ads had was to make me pull my prescriptions, transfer them to another pharmacy, and not walk in another CVS store ever again if I can possibly avoid it.
 

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Generally scratch deep enough and big pharma can be found nrt treatments are a massive never ending cash cow worldwide and the front company's that eventually lead back to one of the worlds big five pharmaceutical is astonishing. I have a friend who is a forensic accountant is involved in a big pharma thing now and he says over the years he's dealt with banks and arms companies and nothing compares to the global spiderweb of big pharma. What is very clear is it has absolutely nothing to do with improving health it is nothing but money money money.
 

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Then why isn't that happening in Colorado and Washington? Are you kidding?

It is, both states permit a limited number of plants to be grown for personal use and many people do. In addition, in both states way more black market product is sold than legitimate taxed product. Overall, sales have produced well below the predicted revenue.

Also, you currently can't grow acres because of the risk with the Feds. If that is set aside, it will become near free. Many folks would just give it away after harvesting what they need for the year.
 
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It is, both states permit a limited number of plants to be grown for personal use and many people do. In addition, in both states way more black market product is sold than legitimate taxed product. Overall, sales have produced well below the predicted revenue.

Also, you currently can't grow acres because of the risk with the Feds. If that is set aside, it will become near free. Many folks would just give it away after harvesting what they need for the year.

Oh, I agree with you. I've always thought it should be legal to grow for personal use, and just eliminate the market.
 

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I foresee... a mod intervening in this conversation pretty soon. You know they will.

Andria

Getting close......

I've been very careful with my word choice, but yeah.

Watching ;)

Oh, I agree with you. I've always thought it should be legal to grow for personal use, and just eliminate the market.

And that will be the last of that conversation.

Anymore veiled references will be deleted. Merry Christmas :D
 

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Hello Robin, hard at work again......
 
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