Secondhand vapor third hand vapor?

[Way2Gone]

Would secondhand vapor bother my father? He really hated ciggerette smoke, but what about vaping? Should I be concerned for his health if we vape in the house? How does secondhand vapor effect other people who don't smoke or vape. He only dips tobacco. He can't smoke or anything because he recently had been diagnosed with blood clots in his lungs, so we really try to stay away when smoking. We are thinking it is more of a hereditary type of thing, him getting blood clots that is. He doesn't have the best of lungs, when he was younger he got pneumonia really bad and supposeable he said it scared his lungs pretty bad. So his lungs aren't very strong. So that is why he dips he can't really smoke or vape. So would secondhand vapor bother him? He doesn't seem to complain of it honestly so far, plus we don't usually vape in the same room as him anyways, mostly in another room or out of the area where the vape is barely smellable to him and definately not cloudy to him at all.

And on a side note, what about third hand vapor?

Thanks for some tips.

 

[melissa1928]

What would third-hand vapor even be?

"Third-hand smoke" is supposed to be the particles clinging to a smoker or in an area where someone smoked earlier. To me, it always sounded like they thought the smoker had cooties. Third-hand vapor, though? Clinging water droplets?

Your father should probably ask his doctor to be sure, but it's hard to see how second-hand vapor would harm him, and I don't believe third-hand vapor is even a thing.

 

[Way2Gone]

What would third-hand vapor even be?

"Third-hand smoke" is supposed to be the particles clinging to a smoker or in an area where someone smoked earlier. To me, it always sounded like they thought the smoker had cooties. Third-hand vapor, though? Clinging water droplets?

Your father should probably ask his doctor to be sure, but it's hard to see how second-hand vapor would harm him, and I don't believe third-hand vapor is even a thing.

I just thought i would bring up "third hand vapor". I thought of it when thinking about the term "third hand smoke" So thank you for the information. Yes, I will be trying to research secondhand vapor more because I need to learn about it.

 

[Way2Gone]

anybody else have any opinions on this?

 

[analogbgone]

Well Way2, you can google that and come up with a lot of differing answers. One article I read said there was nicotine in second hand vapor but no other chemicals. One said it was a health risk no matter what. I vape in my home, but I don't have young kids or babies or anyone with respiratory problems. I never blow vapor at anyone. I think you should probably ask his doctor, but I'm pretty sure he will say don't vape around your dad. My Dr is actually against anyone vaping.

 

[Way2Gone]

Well Way2, you can google that and come up with a lot of differing answers. One article I read said there was nicotine in second hand vapor but no other chemicals. One said it was a health risk no matter what. I vape in my home, but I don't have young kids or babies or anyone with respiratory problems. I never blow vapor at anyone. I think you should probably ask his doctor, but I'm pretty sure he will say don't vape around your dad. My Dr is actually against anyone vaping.

Well I definately don't blow it in his face, although it will linger towards him sometimes if I "happen" to be in the same room of the house as him. But most of my vaping occurs in a different part of the house, in which he is hardly ever in like ever. So I wouldn't assume it would be much of a concern for my dad if I am vaping in my own area. But indeed I always try to stay away from him when I am vaping heavily.

As far as nicotine being the only substance that tends to linger, as you said, does it tend to stick on things and stay forever? Or does it die off? hmm. You don't have to answer, I am just wondering and being curious.

 

[analogbgone]

I'm not sure how long the nic stays, Guess you have to google it and see what you come up with. The article I read didn't say, but I'm sure you could find it. Somebody , somewhere knows that answer!!

 

[Way2Gone]

Does anybody else have any opinions on secondhand vapor? Thanks

 

[MorpheusPA]

Check with his doctor. Off the cuff, I'd say it's less concerning than second-hand smoke (with third-hand vapor not being a concern at all). We don't run our vaporizers like cigarettes, which pour out smoke whether we're drawing or not.

However, there are some diseases where the sufferer must not be exposed to any nicotine at all, and this may or may not be one of them. I wouldn't know.

Deposited nicotine will degrade in light and air as follows:

Spectrum Laboratories : Chemical Fact Sheet - Cas # 54115 CASRN 54-11-5

The quote in question: "ATMOSPHERIC FATE: If released to air nicotine is expected to degrade rather quickly in the presence of light and air. A resinous product may form. In the ambient atmosphere, nicotine may react with photochemically generated hydroxyl radicals (vapor phase t 1/2 1 day) or be removed by wet deposition. Slight potential exists for direct photolysis, since it adsorbs UV light only weakly above 290 nm. "

Long-term exposure to nicotine that's been deposited would therefore be of no concern. Short-term may differ. Medium-term, I have no idea, but most sources say degradation is "slow."

Again, ask his doctor. Until then, I'd try to isolate my vaping to air-space he's not breathing and isn't going to breathe.

 

[Way2Gone]

Check with his doctor. Off the cuff, I'd say it's less concerning than second-hand smoke (with third-hand vapor not being a concern at all). We don't run our vaporizers like cigarettes, which pour out smoke whether we're drawing or not.

However, there are some diseases where the sufferer must not be exposed to any nicotine at all, and this may or may not be one of them. I wouldn't know.

Deposited nicotine will degrade in light and air as follows:

Spectrum Laboratories : Chemical Fact Sheet - Cas # 54115 CASRN 54-11-5

The quote in question: "ATMOSPHERIC FATE: If released to air nicotine is expected to degrade rather quickly in the presence of light and air. A resinous product may form. In the ambient atmosphere, nicotine may react with photochemically generated hydroxyl radicals (vapor phase t 1/2 1 day) or be removed by wet deposition. Slight potential exists for direct photolysis, since it adsorbs UV light only weakly above 290 nm. "

Long-term exposure to nicotine that's been deposited would therefore be of no concern. Short-term may differ. Medium-term, I have no idea, but most sources say degradation is "slow."

Again, ask his doctor. Until then, I'd try to isolate my vaping to air-space he's not breathing and isn't going to breathe.

Well him being exposed to nicotine is probably not a concern at all honestly, lol. He has been dipping for around 23 years now. He barely spits most of the time, he is one of there hardcore dippers who sometimes swallows there tobacco.

 

[Kryyptyk]

My Dr is actually against anyone vaping.

I smell a quack.