Set wattage VV tube mod???

[Troy1troy]

I was thinking the other day when I had a cartomizer jump from 3ohm to 2.4 ohm that it would be nice to have a mod that would recognize the ohm of the cartomizer and with an adjustable preset wattage say 7.5, would then adjust the voltage to always give you 7.5 watts (or whatever you set it to) weather your using 2ohm 1.7ohm or 3ohm etc.
The l-rider will adjust to its max i believe, if the voltage surpasses what the cartomizer can handle. The provari will give you an e-1 code if this happens. You can then check the ohm of the cart and adjust accordingly which isnt that inconvenient.
I guess I think it would be a great addition to high end mods like the provari to be able to set the wattage per cartomizer etc rather then setting voltage.
Is there a mod like that? Is it cost prohibitive? Or are there other problems that would occur?
Thoughts?
Thanks!

 

[Nomoreash]

There are several ways to do it. The only production mod is the Darwin. It uses wattage regulation. Where you set the wattage is where it stays no matter what you put on it. If you set it to 8 watts with a 2.3 ohm atty and then replace that with a 3 ohm atty I'll detect the ohm rating and output 8 watts.

Another way to do it is with the Kick which is a drop in module for tube mods that take 18mm diameter batteries. Works the same way, set the wattage and everything put on it is set to that wattage.

Another way is the DNA which is a chip than can be wired for mod building, it uses wattage regulation also.

All of these are products by Evolv.

 

[billherbst]

nomoreash,

Ever since the pre-release buzz on the Darwin began, I've been very interested in the power-regulation approach to variability (rather than variable voltage).

I didn't buy a Darwin, however. Despite my profligate spending on all things vaping, the Darwin was (and is) too expensive for my taste as a single purchase. Also, I wasn't in love with the form factor of its case design.

So, I waited for The Kick. Once it came out, I learned of its power restriction to 10 watts. Not a huge deal, but apparently it can't account for the doubled resistance of dual coils and has to be reset for duals rather than single coils. I understand why, but it does sort of throw the set-it-and-forget-it convenience out the window. And now, many months after The Kick's launch and frequent unavailability, it seems that every time I turn around, I read another post by some poor user reporting that his Kick died after three days or three weeks or whatever. I mean, if The Kick is that vulnerable to the hassle of failure, then count me out.

Now we get DNA. Another advance, another wait-and-see.

Please understand, I'm not dissing Evolv. As with any cutting-edge technology, the bugs take time to get worked out. I have no doubt that Evolv is a hard-working crew of engineers and designers. I just haven't felt like becoming what amounts to a beta-test pioneer/guinea pig. I went through that with Macs over the first 15 years of their existence, which was fine, but I'm too old to do it again with APVs.

Your experience may differ, of course. If so, please feel free to share it. A little positive feedback might cause me to reconsider getting a Kick, now that they're available again. LOL.

 

[Troy1troy]

Mac ... I totally here you!! .. thanks for the info on your experiences. Looking up the new info gives me something to do while I'm sitting at my computer vaping!!!!

 

[Troy1troy]

Wow i guess I get a total fail! I just checked out the Darwin and it does exactly what I was looking for. It doesn't look like a device I will try to acquire though. I need something with a rock solid outer case and preferably without moving parts. Like the Provari or Saber Touch etc. If there was a mod built like one of these (I'm a garbage man inadvertently hard on my gear while at work) I would pick it up in a second! What a great way to vape.. with wattage! thanks for the info billherbst and Nomoreash. Maybe I will have to pick up a kick and a saber touch and see if I like it. I already have some good mods though and I wonder how long it will be before I actually try it. Still thanks for the great information!

 

[Nomoreash]

nomoreash,

Ever since the pre-release buzz on the Darwin began, I've been very interested in the power-regulation approach to variability (rather than variable voltage).

I didn't buy a Darwin, however. Despite my profligate spending on all things vaping, the Darwin was (and is) too expensive for my taste as a single purchase. Also, I wasn't in love with the form factor of its case design.

So, I waited for The Kick. Once it came out, I learned of its power restriction to 10 watts. Not a huge deal, but apparently it can't account for the doubled resistance of dual coils and has to be reset for duals rather than single coils. I understand why, but it does sort of throw the set-it-and-forget-it convenience out the window. And now, many months after The Kick's launch and frequent unavailability, it seems that every time I turn around, I read another post by some poor user reporting that his Kick died after three days or three weeks or whatever. I mean, if The Kick is that vulnerable to the hassle of failure, then count me out.

Now we get DNA. Another advance, another wait-and-see.

Please understand, I'm not dissing Evolv. As with any cutting-edge technology, the bugs take time to get worked out. I have no doubt that Evolv is a hard-working crew of engineers and designers. I just haven't felt like becoming what amounts to a beta-test pioneer/guinea pig. I went through that with Macs over the first 15 years of their existence, which was fine, but I'm too old to do it again with APVs.

Your experience may differ, of course. If so, please feel free to share it. A little positive feedback might cause me to reconsider getting a Kick, now that they're available again. LOL.

I also don't care for the form factor of the Darwin at it's price point and can only report my experience.

I have a Kick which I'm using in a Bolt and haven't had any issues at all, I've had it for about 2 months. The negative is the tube must be opened up for adjustment but being wattage regulated once the desired setting is found it doesn't need to be adjusted that often and I knew that going in so no biggie. This is marketed toward people who have unregulated tubes to be able to get wattage regulation cheap and it does that so I can overlook having to open it up for adjustment if I need to. I also think it's also a pretty good solution for those wanting to get the core functionality of the Darwin even if they don't already have a tube, mated with an inexpensive option like the Bolt totals < $100 which puts it at the low end price wise for a regulated tube. I don't see purchasing a more expensive tube specifically to mate it with, better options out at that price point imo. The limiter can be an issue with any boosted circuit, it being 10 watts doesn't bother me, I vape around 8ish watts and don't like Dual Core at all, for those that do this isn't the solution. They'd probably be better served going with a buck/step down regulator circuited option.

The DNA chip I've had working in a mod for around 3 weeks and works great. It's a boost regular and has the limiter but raises it over the kick somewhat and the wattage is easily adjustable to the modders design. I've got it running 2 18650s in parallel for extended battery life implemented with a meter and easy adjustment and love it. The Kicked Bolt is getting much less use now. The DNA chip can also be stacked doubling the wattage limit for those that like dual core and want to use it but that starts to become a more expensive option to the popular step down regulators out modders are already using, someone would really have to prefer vw over vv to justify the extra cost of stacking.

 

[billherbst]

nomoreash,

Thanks! As it happens, I knew all the facts you shared about The Kick and DNA, but that's fine. Nice to have what I know confirmed, and I appreciate your sharing your personal experience.

I'd been back and forth about The Kick mostly because I already own many possible "platforms" for it: two Omegas, two MaxiRoughStcks, an Indulgence V3, two Diamond (flashlight) mods, and a Bolt (although I'd need to get the body extender). I've been running all those originally-3.7V 18650 mods using the light-green 5-volt NIMH batteries, which has kept them in service for me quite nicely despite my stable of 21 VVs, but I thought it might be fun to put a Kick in one of them just for the hell of it.

Currently, my SmokTech Vmax is king of the hill---ruler of my VV chicken coop. It's so powerful that I'm able to set it to 3.3 volts and get a fantastic vape with any carto from 1.7 ohms to 3.0 ohms resistance. And with no resetting of the voltage at all. I don't know how or why the Vmax is able to do that, but it's almost like wattage-regulated set-it-and-forget-it convenience.

I, too, am pretty much finished with dual coils. Although for now I'm keep my small stock of 2.0 and 2.5 ohm DCs, I took VapnJ's advice and snipped the center tube lead to one coil on all 40 of my 1.5 ohm DCs. With any of my VVs, they vape better as 3.0 ohm single coils and consume less juice as well.

I think I'll pass on The Kick and wait to see if someone comes out with a DNA mod that's reasonably priced. Or maybe even a double-DNA. LOL.

 

[Jalippo]

There are several ways to do it. The only production mod is the Darwin. It uses wattage regulation. Where you set the wattage is where it stays no matter what you put on it. If you set it to 8 watts with a 2.3 ohm atty and then replace that with a 3 ohm atty I'll detect the ohm rating and output 8 watts.

Nope, there is also very rare tube mode called Svoëmesto and with semovar add on it's VW mod with bunch of features and LCD display. Setting menu of semovar works via tactile, like ProVari.

Ps. One of them is at the moment for trade in classified section...