Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?
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Why should vaping laws go had in hand with smoking laws? Vaping isn't smoking, isn't that the point?
I never said I feel or believe smoking and vaping laws should be the same.
The fact of the matter is (at least where I live) by law they follow the same rules. Even if a blind eye is turned, technically its still the law.
All vaping kiosks were removed from our local mall. Why, because vaping in doors in a public place is illegal. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
I know, I know, "What about the children, won't somebody think about the children?".
A little OT but,
I have a 16 yr old son. He has decided to vape. I don't like it, but he's not doing it behind my back. We talked about nicotine and the laws pertaing to vaping and smoking. If he's going to do it regardless, I'm at least going to help guide him.
Yes, in most places it's already too late, unless you can get a law overturned. I've always treated this as more of a hypothetical. If there were no laws in place, I would still be against age restrictions, at this point.I never said I feel or believe smoking and vaping laws should be the same.
The fact of the matter is (at least where I live) by law they follow the same rules. Even if a blind eye is turned, technically its still the law.
All vaping kiosks were removed from our local mall. Why, because vaping in doors in a public place is illegal. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
I know, I know, "What about the children, won't somebody think about the children?".
A little OT but,
I have a 16 yr old son. He has decided to vape. I don't like it, but he's not doing it behind my back. We talked about nicotine and the laws pertaing to vaping and smoking. If he's going to do it regardless, I'm at least going to help guide him.
Jman8 is the same guy who actually advocated vaping in a pediatrician's office. He seriously felt that not being able to vape there was a violation of his Constitutional rights.
And that's all I have to say about Jman8.
And that's all I have to say about Jman8.
Just out of curiosity, if there is nothing harmful in "second hand vapor" then what exactly is the issue with vaping in a pediatrician's office, or anywhere else?
Off the top of my head, my inclination is that parents of sick children already have a great sense of fear for their children, which may lead them to being quite irrational on the subject of their child's health -- it may not BE harmful, but any parent of a sick child is not going to welcome it.
And I also feel, just inappropriate. If a parent went to the bathroom while there, and had a few puffs, no biggie -- no one sees it, no one gets upset. But around the possibly sick children and their fearful parents... just not appropriate. It's a matter of sensitivity and tact, I think, not law & order.
Andria
I would accept those reasons, as a matter of tact. That is not what I read in the quoted statement though.
Most of this thread has been assertions of "common sense" which rarely have as much thought behind them as your post has.
"vaping around children who are already sick could upset the parents of those children" is not the same as "of course you shouldn't vape in an office full of children"
ETA: not that I entirely agree with refraining from vaping because it might upset others...
No, I don't either in most cases -- I don't vape in stores, not because I personally think there's anything wrong with it, but because i don't have time for stupidity, which vaping in a grocery would be sure to bring on, from SOMEBODY. I do vape anytime, anywhere, if I'm outdoors, and if anyone ever said anything to me about it, I'd either laugh at them, tell them to mind their own, or, if i had time and inclination, deliver them a point-by-point lecture on the harmlessness of vapor and the rudeness of accosting strangers. I sometimes vape in public restrooms behind the stall door, and no one has ever had a problem. I've stealth vaped in an auto dealership, and nobody got upset because nobody knew except my husband, and he thought it was funny.
But I'm a parent myself, and I know how overwrought I felt when my "little boy" (he's now 5'10") was sick. It just seems rude to me, to go out of your way like that to give a worried parent something new to worry about -- they may not know it's harmless, thanks to the idiot media, but they do know their child is sick, and are likely to be very much less than forgiving with strangers behaving in what they may think is a very cavalier fashion, around those sick children.
And quite beside all that... maybe it's not ENTIRELY harmless, to a) a child, who's b) already sick with *something* -- we can't *know* that it's 100% harmless to 100% of everybody, 100% of the time -- that would be ridiculous to even think, and to assume that's true, I think, shows a complete disregard of our fellow humans -- and their children, which is a far more serious offense.
Andria
Hurricanegirl100 makes up stuff and seemingly can't use the quote feature to back up her rhetoric.
The good news is she won't be able to reply to this for she has nothing else to say about Jman8.
Woohoo, I win!
Way to Go Jman8 on Winning. I know it is Important to you.
BTW - You did post that there was Nothing Wrong with vaping in a Pediatrician's Office, Right? Because I seem to Recall reading it?
Because a person could vape zero nic would be the obvious answer.
But this thread is about being allowed to buy eLiquids that contain nicotine. And as explained in this thread (and many other places on ECF), this particular regulation drives all the rest. All of them. Therefore, it likely won't be different to the uninformed, non vapers. It will be different to the informed anti types and informed vaping people. In essence, it is revisiting the older battle, but with some obvious differences, and the common ingredient of nicotine at the forefront.
A vaping enthusiast ought to understand what is being fought for and why. To the degree that understanding is lacking, open forum discussion may help correct ignorance around the historical battle that is anti types looking to shame nic users and seek an end game where no one is using, regardless of their reasons for doing so.
Note: End game though is at least 1000 years away.
I know it's important for you to judge people according to your spin.
Nope, not what I posted. I'll let you do the work on looking it up.
I do tire of your incessant loaded questions though. Carrying it over to other parts of the forum. Highly tempted that if I see it again, I'd be reporting it.
If you Feel that a Post you read should be Reported, then By All Means, Report It.
I'm all for Cleaning Up the ECF.
BTW - Isn't this the Thread that people keep referencing about vaping in a Pediatrician's Office.
Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME. | E-Cigarette Forum
Since I highly doubted Jman said he would vape in a pediatrician's office, I just searched the thread (didn't READ the whole thing but used the search) and I think this must be the post you're referring to... Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME. | Page 10 | E-Cigarette Forum
Although he clearly says he wouldn't do that, he does make some good points.
If you insist he said otherwise, link the post.
I didn't. That is why I asked Him.
As you Noticed, that was a Huge Thread. And I think there were many Good Points posted in it.
I believe this is the thread where hurricanegirl100 thinks she saw me say what she is attributing to me saying.
I believe no one will find what she said I said. Try as they might.
What happens to PG and VG when someone vapes? Does it disappear by magic? Seems quite a few vapers have reactions to either. Isn't it possible those who breathe in second hand 'vapor' would also face adverse reactions, if they are sensitive to either?
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