Nobody should give or sell anything to any child their parents might not approve. There is no exception for retailers. Hasn't this been the common law for about 50,000 years?
Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?
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EXACTLY. this is what im trying to say, sorry i didnt carefully word every sentence
Here, read this: Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com
If you're pressed for time, jump to the section with the header "Not the Great Satan"
So, If I don't approve of my child eating sugar, or let's say I have religious beliefs that restrict our diet and bacon is off limits, is it ILLEGAL for retailers to sell my child candy or bacon?
I vape because i used it to quit smoking and i enjoy it. I am also past my bodys stage of development. do you really think your going to change public opinion with a poll on an internet vaping forum asking whether children should be able to buy nicotine? a much better way would be to write an article and try to get it published in a popular website/newspaper/magazine. thats how anti vaping people do it and obviously it works. and you really think that cdc data is accurate? think about it, if you were a teen that picked up vaping because you thought it was cool, would you really say that? in your world do children not lie? and on top of that why wouldnt they just quit cold turkey? the earlier you do it the easier it is. And just because a study says something does not automatically make it true.
im going to stop arguing now, this argument is rediculous. cant believe i took the bait
I don't really expect to change public opinion on this, because as has been evidenced many times in this thread, even when people are shown otherwise, the irrational fear and hatred of nicotine has been so ingrained in American society that we will probably never be rid of it.
However, in order for myself to not feel horrible when vaping as we know it disappears, in order to protect the children, I will continue to fight ignorance and misinformation wherever I see it.
And we have to KEEP fighting ignorance and misinformation everywhere we find it, even when it walks on in and announces that ignorance and misinformation are the only way to think.
Andria
And it's one hell of a lot more than a "hobby" to me; I vape so that I don't smoke. But I refuse to give the antis anymore ammunition by buying into their hysteria about "youth vaping." It's utterly ridiculous, and just because you "don't approve" of something kids want, does not mean you get to go around bullying everyone about it, when it's a stupid thing to worry about -- I'd FARRRRRRRRRRRR rather kids vaped than smoked, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, and even with 18mg nicotine if they want or need it. It's not going to hurt them anymore than one of those cappufrappucino things, probably less, and NICOTINE TO NEVER SMOKERS IS NOT ADDICTIVE!!!!!!!
Why do we constantly have to keep covering the same ground?!?!?!
Andria
Nicotine IS an addictive substance, period. At least your body gets addicted to it.
So you don't have to click:
Not the Great Satan
Perhaps most surprising is that, in studies by Boyd and others, nicotine has not caused addiction or withdrawal when used to treat disease. These findings fly in the face of nicotine’s reputation as one of the most addictive substances known, but it’s a reputation built on myth. Tobacco may well be as addictive as ......, as some have claimed. But as scientists know, getting mice or other animals hooked on nicotine alone is dauntingly difficult. As a 2007 paper in the journal Neuropharmacology put it: “Tobacco use has one of the highest rates of addiction of any abused drug.” Paradoxically it’s almost impossible to get laboratory animals hooked on pure nicotine, though it has a mildly pleasant effect.
The same study found that tobacco smoke itself is necessary to amp up nicotine’s addictiveness. In 2005, for instance, researchers at the University of California, Irvine, found that animals self-administer a combination of nicotine and acetaldehyde, an organic chemical found in tobacco, significantly more often than either chemical alone. In 2009, a French team found that combining nicotine with a cocktail of five other chemicals found in tobacco — anabasine, nornicotine, anatabine, cotinine and myosmine — significantly increased rats’ hyperactivity and self-administration of the mix compared with nicotine alone.
In short, the estimated 45.3 million people, or 19.3 percent of all adults, in the United States who still smoke are not nicotine fiends. They’re nicotine-anabasine-nornicotine-anatabine-cotinine-myosmine-acetaldehyde-and-who-knows-what-else fiends. It is tobacco, with its thousands of chemical constituents, that rightly merits our fear and loathing as the Great Satan of addictiveness. Nicotine, alone: not so much.
@Lessifer is it tobacco or reconstituted tobacco they are addicted to? I've read studies linked to from Cigar and pipe forums I used to frequent that claimed that there were no tests in the US that tested actual tobacco. Just the reconstituted tobacco from cigarette companies. I know that big tobacco has been accused to adding addictive chemicals to the mix that aren't found in natural, organically grown tobacco.
I stuffed my own the past few years I smoked using Kentucky Select Organic. It seemingly had more nicotine than what I got from cigarettes and if anything, I was just as addicted to them as I was with store-bought cigarettes...
I don't believe I've seen any studies comparing the two, though I'll admit I haven't looked. There is talk of tobacco companies adding things to make the nicotine in their tobacco more addictive, or at least more readily available, however there are others that say that those things occur during the curing process, or in the tobacco naturally. What is true though is that cigarette tobacco, the combination of regular and reconstituted, is tightly controlled so that each cigarette conforms to a standard, contains x amount of nicotine, and produces x amount of tar, etc.
I ask because when I was still smoking, I could be smoking a strong cigar that would have me sweating, and still want to take a break from it to smoke a cig. Other had the same urges and it led to some heated debates.
Did you ever notice any of the reconstituted tobacco (kinda looks like construction paper) in the tobacco you bought? My girlfriends son rolled his own from a supposedly organic tobacco and I found reconstituted stuff in it.
The stuff I got was just long cut tobacco strands- no shake. It wasn't pipe tobacco, just cut long to get around the tax. I've seen a lot of shake in the cheap SYO/RYO tobacco, though. The bottom dollar stuff contained a lot of 'scraps.' Kentucky Select Organic was noticeably different than their regular tobacco. It didn't smell as strong, but was more potent nic wise...
Of course, I understand that they do what they can to keep the flavor consistent between all of the same offerings. And only a percentage is reconstituted. Ive just always wondered if they did a little something extra to make sure people didn't quit smoking.
It has ingredients- this tells you why they are in there- This is for CR, but you get the idea...
by brand lists of tobacco ingredients cigarettes
My bet is kids will experiment with vaping and if they never smoked they will eventually loose interest. To test myself a few days ago I deliberatly smoked a cig. It didn't taste awful. It didn't taste like much of anything. The only thing I got from it was a mild ache in the back of my head and no interest in having another. I didn't want to merely quit smoking, I wanted to loose interest. It looks like that's what's happened.
The stuff he used to get was all cut the same, fairly shake free, but if you looked closely at some of the strips, you could tell they weren't a natural leaf.
from what iv read cigars dont have as much nicotine as cigarettes. i used to have the same problem when i didnt have enough money for a pack of cigs id buy cigars(granted they were bought at a gas station) and it would make me feel sick but id still be fiending
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