Should I give up!

[obss]

I've been a heavy smoker for about 20 years and desperately tried several times to quit. When I hard about electronic cigarettes was the happiest moment in my life. Finally, a real help to be able to quit smoking!
I bought and tried to use "Super Electronic Cigarette Deluxe-001" from Ruyan.

To my disillusion, it was far from any idea of a cigarette. Poor vapor volume, fast battery depleting, no hit and that annoying hiss sound... the general feeling was that I smoke a punctured superlight cigarette.
I've also bought the strongest e-liquid (super-high, 36 mg) but it was hardly compensating for all those problems of the e-cig itself.

Then I found this forum and tried to find the best item. I mean something closest to the smoking experience from the perspective of a heavy smoker.
To my despair, I didn't manage to successfully point to something suited to my purpose: innumerable brands, codes, reviews and not even a clear cut opinion about the thing I want. I don't suggest my precious piece of info does not exist here. But this forum is huge! Thousands of threads with not always explicit titles, sections over sections, YEARS to read it!!! I am a very busy person, I simply don't have the time and mostly the mindset to try to comprehend and discern over all this volume of information.
I tried to contact some members and ask for their private opinions. They told me to try Screwdriver or Janty. And then tried to find an European supplier for these brands. The first is out of stock and for the second I couldn't find an European online shop.
I've been online here for hours. Sorry guys, I'm simply not able to find that simple thing to buy and quit smoking! I know it's my fault; maybe I am not a good forums browser, maybe I am not smart enough to manage to form an opinion.

Please, anyone, a merciful guy, forgive all my clumsiness in managing info and help me: I want to buy the best electronic cigarette from Europe, suitable for a heavy smoker, no matter the price. By 'the best' I mean vaping alot, reliable, closest to the real thing.

This post is the last resort in my pathetic endeavour to find what I need.

Thank you!

 

[mikea]

I've been a heavy smoker for about 20 years and desperately tried several times to quit. When I hard about electronic cigarettes was the happiest moment in my life. Finally, a real help to be able to quit smoking!

I smoked for more than twice that long -- and I'm very close to quitting. I'm still having problems getting from the four-cigarettes-per-day to zero-per-day stage, and I'm not sure why. That aside, this technology has truly worked when nothing else did to get me almost completely off cigarettes. I had no idea it could be this effective. It is this effective.

Someone here must know how you obtain various kinds of e-cigs in Europe at competitive prices. (I'm nowhere near Europe, so I'm not help in that respect.) I certainly understand the confusion of happening onto this forum and...whoa! All these product names and techie-talk. What does it all mean? I'm too new to it to be able to explain much. The best I can do is to say what worked for me and what didn't. Rather than repeat it all here, permit me to suggest the "Newbie-to-newbie: what worked; what didn't" message, which I posted a few hours ago here in New Members -- http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...996-newbie-newbie-what-worked-what-didnt.html . I'm going to add one more post to it tonight -- another bit of "don't do what I did" advice..

My first e-cig was woefully inadequate. Battery and cartridge life were pathetic. With advice from a forum member I tried the products whose model numbers are 510 (often seen as Joye 510 and no doubt there are other names for it) and DSE 801. Immediately the e-cig "thing" got a lot better. The 801 in particular produces a fair amount of vapor and a good "throat hit," and I'm finding that to be especially true when I use it with a passthrough (if you don't know that term yet, please say so and someone can explain it). The 510 and 801 do not share compatible batteries, atomizers, or cartridges. I don't mind this. If I want extra long battery life, the 801 is good. But I'm content most of the time with the lesser vapor output and somewhat shorter battery life of the 510. (Although, I've found it doesn't produce that much less vapor. How much vapor you get seems to be determined in large part by the strength of the battery charge and how much e-liquid is in the cartridge at a given moment.)

Hope this helps in some fashion...

 

[Corki2]

Most folks who try it love the 510. I have one and love it. Nothing is going to be exactly like an analog. You don't vape like you smoke. But I have found the most overall satisfaction with my 510. Everyone is different, so what works for me, may not work for you. But if I had to give away all my devices and keep only one, I would keep my 510. I also got the PCC (personal charging case) to go with it. Part of the 510's charm is the PCC because you can be vaping one battery and charging another one and keep swapping them out. The charge on my PCC lasts me all day and I never have a problem with keeping my batteries charged. Good luck with whatever you end up with!

 

[AGNES PEACOCK]

Hello Obss:

Here is the Janty Shop site in Europe, JANTY DURA SETS JANTY DURA-C SET Looks like you can just order up a Dura-C kit right there. Dont forget to get a bottle of liquid too, for a good start. There are a few types of tobacco flavored liquid there. Just pick one, you can try more later and pick up more accessories if you take to it. I love the Dura-C and their warranty is great too.

Good Luck to you and welcome to ECF.

 

[dedmonwakin]

Here's the problem. Your wanting someone to form an opinion for you and this isn't going to work. It's comparable to you asking someone to go and pick you up a pack of smokes at the store and they brought you back a pack of Swisher Sweets.

I too read a ton of people recomendations, reviews and so forth...didn't help at all. I just said, "eff it, I'm just gonna jump in and hope I don't hit any rocks on the way down."

Basically, everyone has a different experience and expectation of a device(s). Many people will rave about a specific device such as the ever popular DSE901 and there are some that don't care for it.

I hate it as a standard cig, but love it as a mod.




My RN4081 aka/Super Cigarette, Super Mini E-Cigarette, Super Mini, PeeWee etc. , love the hell out of it as an Ecig, the size is almost equal to a real cig and the heat produced along with the vapor is great, but like most if not all ecigs, it suffers short battery life. Love it more as a mod.

My M401/402 is probably a step above the Rn4081 as far as heat and vapor production. Battery life is even shorter. Haven't modded it yet, but will in the future.

My 510, very similar to the RN4081, but it appears to have been a birth child of the dse901 and RN4081 as far as vapor production and cart size. Loved the manual battery, since it allowed control of energy consumption, but regardless, battery life is poor.

This is my personal experience.

My recommendation to you is to just jump right in, but do it wisely in the realm of spending.

If you can afford it, purchase a couple kits. I would recommend this site, Heaven-gifts.com Ruyandirect.com Best E-smoking Shop
They have many of the cigs that are sold on US sites, but without the heavy mark up. Basically, for one kit you can purchase at a US site of the same brand, you can purchase up 4 from this site. You'll have your favorite to choose out of them.

Also, you should always try to keep this in mind. Ecigs are nothing more than a substitute for a (hopefully) past habit. They never totally imitate real cigs, so it will take time to get used to it. If you start vaping, expecting that an Ecig will be exactly or even similar to smoking, you'll be in for a big let down.

In time you'll find ways to amplify the vaping experience that will be close to your old habits, but honestly, I think it's just becoming accustomed to it or creating a new habit.

Although I haven't been smoking as long as you have, (only 14 years at a 2 pack a day habit) I was able to quit immediately. I give much credit to the newness of the device. I vaped till I got sick. Just couldn't put the new toy down. My wife continued to smoke, and after a 2 weeks...she and the smell of smoke absolutely bothered me. Never had the craving for a cig either, since I was vaping 36mg constantly.

I'm now down to 18mg of nicotine. My intention wasn't to actually quit though, I got into this simply to replace an old habit.

Edit: You can also do this very cost efficiently if you don't mind wires.

Purchase, usb pass thru's/atty/and carts.
At the site posted they have several passthrus to choose from costing less than 10 bucks. Attys are 6-7 bucks and carts are about 2 bucks. Pick a liquid you would like to try for 9.50...anything is better than the prefilled carts that come with kits.

So, if you wanted to try the 3 different usb passthrus, that's $30 bucks for the passthru's/ $18-21 dollars for the attys/ and $6 dollars for the carts and $9.50 for one bottle of liquid. Grand total with shipping is, $66.00-$69 dollars to try 3 different types of cigs with one bottle of nic liquid.

Usb pass thrus, are a little different than your portable battery cigs. Of course, it has to be attached to a USB output, but also, some produce better or equal results.

I would just recommend you try one USB pass thru DIY kit with one bottle of liquid. You may find that vaping is not for you and your loss would be minimal. But, then again, if you look at the cost, buying one passthru diy kit cost a little more than half than buying all three available usbpassthru's/atomizers/and carts.

 

[smokinsimon]

From one newbie to another..
510 is 25 bucks, bottle of Camel 24mg is 15$, box of blank carts 3-4 bucks. If you smoked full flavor cigs, that set up will do the trick. I wasn't totally sold on this idea, until I tried that combo last week.

 

[waveho]

I'm coming to discover that the key to a good satisfying vape will actually come with learning how to "vape" rather than "smoke." I was a heavy smoker of "ultra-lights" for over 20 years. Pack a day. I imagine it will be more difficult to transition if you were a heavy smoker of Marlboro reds, for example. I was only a bit disappointed at first with my Super Mini rn4081 until I learned how to drip some high nic Johnson's Creek into the weak pre-packaged carts and then learned how to take short even draws from the e-cig. Take a nice even 3-second draw; it will take a bit of time and practice to find exactly what style works for you personally and with your particular ecig model. After more than a week, I have had exactly 3 analog cigs, and they taste worse and worse each time. I like the taste of the Creek juice and a 30ml bottle goes a long way. So after some initial disgruntlement, I'm a very happy camper with my rn4081 which gives up plenty of vapor and taste when I pack the carts "just so," and draw in just the right way. After only week it's completely second nature. Just have to kinda "re-learn" how to smoke. Stick with it!!!!

Analogs WILL kill you; this stuff probably won't--hey, that's the best deal around for "former" smokers like most of us!! Good luck!

 

[Closet Toker]

Save yourself time AND money. Look into buying a modded ecig. Check out ones like: Screw Driver, Prodigy, G.G. and ZiMoshi. Do your reviews on them, decide what suites you better. The modded are more expensive, but in the long hual you'll save money. You will be buying "reliability". Otherwise you'll end up buying "toy" after "toy". Believe me.... as many others, I have been there~done that.
There is no "perfect" e cig.

 

[wv2win]

Save yourself time AND money. Look into buying a modded ecig. Check out ones like: Screw Driver, Prodigy, G.G. and ZiMoshi. Do your reviews on them, decide what suites you better. The modded are more expensive, but in the long hual you'll save money. You will be buying "reliability". Otherwise you'll end up buying "toy" after "toy". Believe me.... as many others, I have been there~done that.
There is no "perfect" e cig.

I agree with Toker: ONLY get a manual battery device. The 510 is a good PV but if you want the best throat hit and long battery life and less hassle then these are your only options:

Screwdriver: ecigscrewdriver.com
The Black Screwdriver Kit / Totally Wicked eLiquid / Electronic Cigarette e-liquid shop
Prodigy: PureSmoker.com - Home of the USA Built PV !!!
GG: THE GG
JantyStick: Janty USA
Zi Moshi Home

 

[happily]

Save yourself time AND money. Look into buying a modded ecig. Check out ones like: Screw Driver, Prodigy, G.G. and ZiMoshi. Do your reviews on them, decide what suites you better. The modded are more expensive, but in the long hual you'll save money. You will be buying "reliability". Otherwise you'll end up buying "toy" after "toy". Believe me.... as many others, I have been there~done that.
There is no "perfect" e cig.

mods are the top of the line(excellent vapor and battery life) One step down would be janty stick(good battery) and or manual switch like 510/dura c/titan (need spare batts) and make sure you have juice

 

[HUF]

Salut,

Uite si eu am avut o problema asemanatoare. Cred ca cel mai bine e sa cumperi e-cig din China. Ei au venit cu ideea, e acelasi produs doar ca mult mai ieftin, iar optiunile (forma, marime, aroma etc.) sunt mai variate decat in Europa. Daca vrei ca e-cig-ul tau sa fie cat mai aproape de original atunci m4o1 sau 8084 sunt cele mai bune optiuni. De asemenea, poti incerca diferite variante de lichid pentru e-cig dar la final trebuie recunoscut faptul ca nimic nu poate inlocui maretul Carpati. Dar oricum bafta!

Mai jos ai doua situri (cel mai bine e sa folosesti EMS chiar daca e mai scump pentru ca vei putea verifica itinerariul pachetului si pentru mine cel putin a fost de folos).

ruyandirect
eastmall

 

[skyward]

Salut,

Uite si eu am avut o problema asemanatoare. Cred ca cel mai bine e sa cumperi e-cig din China. Ei au venit cu ideea, e acelasi produs doar ca mult mai ieftin, iar optiunile (forma, marime, aroma etc.) sunt mai variate decat in Europa. Daca vrei ca e-cig-ul tau sa fie cat mai aproape de original atunci m4o1 sau 8084 sunt cele mai bune optiuni. De asemenea, poti incerca diferite variante de lichid pentru e-cig dar la final trebuie recunoscut faptul ca nimic nu poate inlocui maretul Carpati. Dar oricum bafta!

Mai jos ai doua situri (cel mai bine e sa folosesti EMS chiar daca e mai scump pentru ca vei putea verifica itinerariul pachetului si pentru mine cel putin a fost de folos).

ruyandirect
eastmall

what he said,but i'd recommend the 510 set.

 

[Corki2]

I agree with Toker: ONLY get a manual battery device. The 510 is a good PV but if you want the best throat hit and long battery life and less hassle then these are your only options:

Screwdriver: ecigscrewdriver.com
The Black Screwdriver Kit / Totally Wicked eLiquid / Electronic Cigarette e-liquid shop
Prodigy: PureSmoker.com - Home of the USA Built PV !!!
GG: THE GG
JantyStick: Janty USA
Zi Moshi Home

I agree. I have a Prodigy on order. I will still use my 510 as my "out and about" device, due to it's small size, convenience and cosmetic appearance. I wear it on a lanyard around my neck. My Prodigy will be my "around the house" device. I work at home, so my Prodigy will be my most used device.

 

[SharonLM]

Save yourself time AND money. Look into buying a modded ecig. Check out ones like: Screw Driver, Prodigy, G.G. and ZiMoshi. Do your reviews on them, decide what suites you better. The modded are more expensive, but in the long hual you'll save money. You will be buying "reliability". Otherwise you'll end up buying "toy" after "toy". Believe me.... as many others, I have been there~done that.
There is no "perfect" e cig.

Totally agree with this one. I've got the 4081, the 801, the 510 (which is my least favorite) and now the Screwdriver and AdapteR. The Screwdriver and AdapteR are by far the best and they are the mod's. I've got the Prodigy coming.

Actually I've got two Screwdrivers, 1 Adapter (and want another), 1 Prodigy coming and want another.

I smoked for almost 43 years, 2 packs a day and tried everything to quit.

 

[JustJulie]

Those who know me know that I rarely recommend a mod to a new vaper both because of the cost as well as because many new vapers are more comfortable starting off with something that is kind of sort of cigarette like.

I'm going to break my rule here because the original poster sounds like someone who NEEDS the power associated with a mod.

Check out wv2win's and Toker's list of suggestions. Since you're in Europe, I'd take the Zi Moshi and the Prodigy off the list.

The others (GG, Screwdriver & JantyStick) are readily available in Europe. For JantyStick, though, you'll want to go to www.jantyshop.com instead of the USA shop.

 

[wv2win]

Those who know me know that I rarely recommend a mod to a new vaper both because of the cost as well as because many new vapers are more comfortable starting off with something that is kind of sort of cigarette like.

I'm going to break my rule here because the original poster sounds like someone who NEEDS the power associated with a mod.

Check out wv2win's and Toker's list of suggestions. Since you're in Europe, I'd take the Zi Moshi and the Prodigy off the list.

The others (GG, Screwdriver & JantyStick) are readily available in Europe. For JantyStick, though, you'll want to go to www.jantyshop.com instead of the USA shop.

Good points, Julie.

 

[Yirabeth]

The Prodigy is sold in the UK through PureSmoker's EU partner e-cigs.co.uk -- direct link to the Prodigy here Puresmoker.co.uk : E-Cigs.co.uk, Online Store

So if you decide to try a mod, this one IS available where you are

The thing is, mods are expensive. So first ask yourself, what do you not like -- would you be happy with it if the battery life were longer...or would you be happy with it if the throat hit were stronger..etc. Maybe make a list of what annoys you about vaping. Then do a little bit of research -- but refine it to get rid of all the "chaff" in it. Type in *model you're considering here* review into the search engine, IE, Prodigy review, or Screwdriver review, etc.

I started with a DSE 901 and I'm happy with it! Except I'd be happier if the battery life were longer, and I'd be happier if the parts were a bit more reliable/better made. And if the throat hit were more consistent. And if the flavor were more consistent! All the things I'm reading about the review of the Prodigy. So I'm going to order a Prodigy, and the passthrough as a backup. I'm sure it'll be a bit of adjustment to the increased size..but after 9 weeks I've decided I just want reliability, not "looks like a cig" in my vaping.

Reasons why I have picked the Prodigy over the other mods -- 1. higher voltage vaping. I use primarily a passthrough now, and it's 5v on my usb battery pack. So I'm used to 5v. 2. Better button placement, for a more comfortable vape. (on the end just doesn't do it for me) 3. More refined looking -- looks "professional" as my boyfriend put it -- it doesn't look like a homemade device. 4. Wireless. Tired of being tied to a wire all the time. 5. Better flavor on liquids, according to ALL reviews. Cons on the Prodigy (IMO) - 1. HUGE. as in....GINORMOUS! But I'm past the point of appearance being my primary consideration. That said, I'll probably get the Prodigy V2 when it comes out --- IF!! it's 5v. And make the V1 my backup.

But those are just ***MY*** considerations. You may well have an entirely different set of needs in your vaping experience. And you should pick what you use on YOUR needs. That said, do keep in mind there IS a learning curve. It took me a week of vaping (with what has really been a good vaping experience) before I felt secure enough to give up the analogs.


I was a full-flavor menthol 2 packs a day for 25 yrs. smoker that has many unsuccessful attempts to stop smoking. And, I'm hard to please (might as well be honest eh??) So I do think it's possible for you to find what you need...just don't give up! You're worth the search -- your health is worth the search

~Yira

 

[JustJulie]

The Prodigy is sold in the UK through PureSmoker's EU partner e-cigs.co.uk -- direct link to the Prodigy here Puresmoker.co.uk : E-Cigs.co.uk, Online Store

So if you decide to try a mod, this one IS available where you are

Good catch!

 

[obss]

Thank you for the extensive replies.
I have finally decided to buy a Screwdriver but cannot find anyone available online.
Please, anyone, post a link with AVAILABLE items...

 

[prof beard]

trog has black SDs for both 901 and 801 on sale now:

The ScrewDriver Online Electronic Cigarette Shop