Should I upgrade or downgrade my nic leve or what?

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Alrighty, here's my situation:

I'm just shy of 4 months analog free. My first bottle was 24 mg but that was too much. Switched to 16 almost right away. Vaped that for about a couple months.

Then I switched to 8. Noticed I wasn't getting the feeling in my chest as much upon the inhale. Is that "throat hit"? Or is throat hit actually in the throat? I don't want to feel it in my throat. That feeling has always been associated with harsh smoke, as in smoking those left-hand cigarettes, which in that case is worth it. But other than that, I like a smooth transition through my throat but I like to feel it hit my lungs. That's how I knew cigarettes, and later my vaporizer, were doing their jobs.

So, once I started vaping 8 mg juice, and couldn't feel it as much, I didn't want to go back to the 16 mg juice. That'd be taking a step backwards in my opinion. Hence I bought a Lavatube thinking the device would put out more vapor and give me the chest hit I wanted. Well, it does make more vapor, but the chest hits are still not there.

I have no plans to stop vaping anytime soon. I like it too much. But I don't want to be dependent on nicotine either. There have been a few times in the last few days I've accidentally been unable to vape and I didn't freak out about it as I would have if I left my cigarettes somewhere. I was quite happy about that.

I don't know the PG/VG ratio of Volcano juices but that's what I've been vaping thus far. I know there are others, but I've been sticking to the Volcano so far because the store owner has been so good to me and I like bringing him the business. I hear PG and nicotine are responsible for the throat hit and VG is responsible for the vapor. I'm agreed that there is little to no harm in nicotine by itself. So I'm not totally opposed to going back up a little bit in the levels, let's say 12 mg, if necessary to get my chest hits back, but my ultimate goal is to get nicotine free, even if I continue to vape for the rest of my natural life.

My next effort will be to upgrade to an RBA and eventually, but no time soon, a mech mod. If that doesn't work, what would you guys suggest? Do you think a higher VG juice will produce enough vapor for the vapor itself to give me the hits I'm seeking? Should I try dripping? Will switching to 0 nic juice be like vaping air, which I've heard here and there? Have my lungs simply adapted the same way they did to cigarettes? I saw a link to a 0 nic vaping thread the other day but can't find it now. Can someone also provide me the link, please? Any other suggestions/advice?

Sorry for a long post and a hundred questions. But your time in helping me out is much appreciated.
 

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I'm not that experienced in the lower levels of nic. I mostly do 18 - 24 mg. Even since my start date which was 9/5/12. I got some 12mg juice that is my desert juice. Banana Nut Bread and Blue Berry Muffin. They don't give me what I need but the taste is sooooooooooooo good. I'm not to concerned about the nicotine like I use to be since I've found out that a LOT of the food we eat has it in it. As long as I'm not smoking, then I'm a happy camper. I can understand the desire to go to 0 nic but not at this point in my life. Every one is different and IMHO I think the worst thing to do is to drop your nic level before your ready to. I did one time and went right back to the analogs. That's why I always keep some 24mg and also some WTA juice and even use Swedish Snus when the stress gets really high. Just keep vaping and your body and mind will tell you when it's time to drop the levels. And BTW this is just my own opinion. Good luck with what ever you decide to do. As long as it keeps you from smoking.:toast:
 

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My next effort will be to upgrade to an RBA and eventually, but no time soon, a mech mod. If that doesn't work, what would you guys suggest? Do you think a higher VG juice will produce enough vapor for the vapor itself to give me the hits I'm seeking? Should I try dripping? Will switching to 0 nic juice be like vaping air, which I've heard here and there? Have my lungs simply adapted the same way they did to cigarettes? I saw a link to a 0 nic vaping thread the other day but can't find it now. Can someone also provide me the link, please? Any other suggestions/advice?

I've moved myself down to zero to six mg juices now. I've done that since April last year from 18 mg. Yes, TH and LH are pretty much gone now, but I found that I got used to it after a while. It's amazing how adaptable we humans are. It mostly became about flavor and vapor for me. I also started DIY last year which lets me tailor juice exactly to my preferences. I found after a while that strong flavors like mint, cinnamon or hot peppers can add or mimic TH which I still appreciate a bite of sometimes.

Yes, improving your juice delivery system will help. I like Boge cartos in tanks (best vapor production I've ever found) and VN's best right now. I don't have a mechanical mod to use my RBA on quite yet, which I think could be the cat's meow. I've been vaping 50/50 VP/PG since I found that works best for me because too much PG gives me a sore throat.

I can assure you vaping zero nic juice is nothing like vaping air :toast:
 

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Volcano's personal vaporizer liquid 70/30 PG/VG.
I don't feel like moving upwards in your nic level is a step backwards. It sure might not be a step forward, but it's definitely not backwards. I'm combustible free, so if it takes 24mg nic liquid to satisfy me, that's what I'll be using.
Aren't there recent studies that say nic, in small doses, is about as harmful as caffeine?
Anyway, good luck with your search. I like volcano's menthol burst...very very cold, and I've found I like my vape very cold. As long as it the flavor I'm using has a cool feeling to it, I don't care how much nic it has in it! :)
 

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I would keep some higher nic liquid around "just in case". IMO dropping down to 0 nicotine in 4 months is way too fast.

I did the same thing a couple of years back, dropping to 0 nic in 6 months and it was too soon for me.Within a month I was back on analogs and it was almost a full year before I tried vaping again.

The veterans Ive spoken to who have had the most success dropped down gradually over a period of a year or a couple of years and now Im convinced that is the key especially for long time heavy smokers.

Point is, dont rush it.You likely smoked for years or even decades before trying e-cigs, why the hurry now?
 
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Yeah, nic level has a direct impact of TH - or lack of it. Dunno your particular liquids but in general the only thing you could try is upping the percentage of PG in your liquids to see if that helps compensate. Keep in mind that the same flavor can taste different every time you lower it's nic content. Lot's of times that isn't a good thing.

You could also try mixing some 8 and 16 to end up somewhere in the middle and see if that feels any better for a transition.

I know some people want to get the entire monkey off their back ASAP and get to 0 mg nic. I tried dropping my 24 mg to 18 mg and found myself vaping nearly twice as much in the process. After 30 years of smoking I'm in no rush to push the nicotine issue. If 24 mg is keeping me from even thinking about smoking - let alone craving it - and my MD and my Allergist have no problem with what I'm doing... Nope, not in any hurry to lower my nic level.
 
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Cool. Thanks for the feedback, folks. I'm not concerned about taking in the nicotine at all as there are little to no adverse effects. I just don't want to be dependent on it at all. I was happy that I could control any nic fit when I've accidentally left my vaporizer somewhere and been unable to vape.

I also have noticed the amount of vaping has increased with lowering the nicotine level. So perhaps going back up a step would be a way to vape less. Not that I'm looking to quit vaping altogether. I still plan on doing it for years to come unless research actually does turn up some major negative side effects, but I don't see that happening. But I could at least not be so dependent on the ritual aspects of it if I up my nic level. It'd be sort of an even trade in my book.

Eventually I think the time will come when I have my perfect setup that will practically drown me in vapor and I'll find a satisfying hit without the nicotine. I may have a lot of different accessories for some standards, but only a few by others, and still not even half of what I want. This is a fun hobby and collecting and tinkering is a large part of it for me.

Anyhoo, sorry I tend to babble. Thanks again for the help.
 

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I started on 24mg on december 2011 and went down to 1mg right now... The TH greatly comes from the nic, but I have found that I can get TH with lower ohms on my atties. I started using regular 510s and now with my rba I make coils that measure 1.0-1.3 ohms to get my TH.

If you want to lower your nic intake, then getting low resistance is key. I´d buy a rebuildable and make my coils. Just make sure your pv can work it.
 

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I started on 24mg on december 2011 and went down to 1mg right now... The TH greatly comes from the nic, but I have found that I can get TH with lower ohms on my atties. I started using regular 510s and now with my rba I make coils that measure 1.0-1.3 ohms to get my TH.

If you want to lower your nic intake, then getting low resistance is key. I´d buy a rebuildable and make my coils. Just make sure your pv can work it.

I've read something along those lines. I'll have to find out what the lowest resistance my Lavatube will work is. Probably something like 1.5 ohms. I do plan to get an RBA within the next few days.

Just to highlight one of my questions in the original post:

Is "throat hit" literally felt in the throat? Or does it count for the feeling in the chest too? I hate the burning in the throat, but love the feeling in the chest.
 

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I've read something along those lines. I'll have to find out what the lowest resistance my Lavatube will work is. Probably something like 1.5 ohms. I do plan to get an RBA within the next few days.

Just to highlight one of my questions in the original post:

Is "throat hit" literally felt in the throat? Or does it count for the feeling in the chest too? I hate the burning in the throat, but love the feeling in the chest.

I feel it (and like it) in the throat, not on my chest.
 

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i started at 24mg almost 6 months ago. I'm down to 12. I have a few 18mg left. I do feel like I'm not vaping as much and its little airry feeling at times. I'll vape the 18mg and few more drags then normal and I'll notice a buzz feeling. Then I go back to my 12mg at normal pace. I'm working on 0mg but we'll see. Like everyone else states take your time decreasing its still a lot better then smoking analogs for sure
 

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I have a Lavatube 2 also, and wrap my own coils to about 1.3 - 1.5 Ohms and it has no problems dealing with it.
Once you get into RBAs, you will be able to "tune" your throat hit with any juice (even 0 nic) just by offsetting the draw hole from the wick (draw hole centered on wick = very smooth/almost no TH, the more offset draw hole = more TH)...

Once you get the wick/coil building down (doesn't take long, just a little practice) and go to a mechanical MOD, you'll get all the throat hit you can handle - trust me :)

Have fun...
 
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