Today at the gas station, a woman ahead of me in line bought 6 blu dispoables. 3 menthol, and 3 tobacco flavor. Since I started vaoing these also as a noob also, I asked her how she liked them, very casually. She replied that she loved them and she hasnt smoked since, she says she buys 6 for the week. I asked her how many weeks she has been vaping, she said "vaping?, you mean smoking egigs? About 4 months" That means she has spent close to $1000 on disposables! i told her she should get an egig she can recharge and refill" and showed her my zmax mini with protank and gave her a brief demonstration of the VV and took a vape right there. She was surprised and said "No way! that thing is huge!" I would never be able to work that thing" Ill stick to the blu's I like them and they are easy.... see, I just have to puff it!" That thing you have is scary!" I mean, for the money she has spent think of all the mods and tanks, and juice she could have!! Some people are still hung up with the "must look like an analog" mentality and just not open to vaping mods etc...
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Perhaps if someone showed an interest in your setup and asked a few questions, then go ahead and give them the introductory course. Other than that, live and let live. Some are quite happy with the cig-alikes. I wouldn't have been, but I like more horsepower
Totally understandable. As a smoker they probably aren't going to be comfortable with anything that doesn't closely resemble an analogue if they know nothing of vaping beyond disposables. I was the same way. I spent mega bucks on tossables before I found the world of vaping and what is available. If it weren't for the eRoll I would probably have stuck with disposables, or worse, gone back to cigs.. I have mailed eRoll kits complete with a couple bottles of juice to three friends who were experimenting with disposables or had showed interest in them. All of them made the switch and quit cigs very easily. After 25 years of smoking and eight months of vaping, I'm just now feeling comfortable with larger PV's.
I have a friend on Facebook who prefers disposables. I told her about other options and that if she ever was feeling unsatisfied with what she was using to get back in touch with me and I'd give her some recommendations. She seems perfectly happy with the disposables and doesn't want the hassle of recharging or refilling. Totally incomprehensible to me, but that's what she wants, so... Oh well?
I know quite a few folks who are tickled pink with the Blu e-cigs. As long as they're happy with 'em and don't care about the cost, leave 'em alone.
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Hey, you did good.
As many of us know, it's quite common to start with a disposable or stick battery and move "up".
So if you can help someone along that path, super!
I'd say you should do the same thing again if the opportunity presents.
But there are some who want a NO fiddling solution - and who prefer a cigarette shape. They're just not going to be happy with a VAMO and a ProTank. LOL.
As many of us know, it's quite common to start with a disposable or stick battery and move "up".
So if you can help someone along that path, super!
I'd say you should do the same thing again if the opportunity presents.
But there are some who want a NO fiddling solution - and who prefer a cigarette shape. They're just not going to be happy with a VAMO and a ProTank. LOL.
Unfortunately, for every one person I have run into who quit completely with models like the disposables, I have run into 50+ who told me they tried Blu, SE, Njoy, etc and they don't work and went back to smoking. Most people are too lazy to put the effort into the research in order to learn what works better. There are still a large percentage of people who go into a car dealership and pay $500 - $1000 less than the sticker price and think they got a good deal.
I tend to carry around a small ego kit for demonstration purposes. I find a large mod scared new people away. There is a natural progression in e-cigs that about half of us have had to follow
Disposable
Ego starter kit (or something similar)
Mods
then you go into crazytown with RBAs and Sub-Ohms and Aliens
My point is that most people are going to go with something that looks similar and A Zmax and Protank looks insane for someone that just wants something simple.
Disposable
Ego starter kit (or something similar)
Mods
then you go into crazytown with RBAs and Sub-Ohms and Aliens
My point is that most people are going to go with something that looks similar and A Zmax and Protank looks insane for someone that just wants something simple.
I do educate them if they show an interest at all. I had a guy the other day come up next to me with a Blu e-cig, he saw my rig, and said "Wow... What is that?" So I told him what it was, and how much it cost. My rig (Vamo V3, two Panasonic 18650's, Nitecore i2, and Protank) cost the same as his Blu starter kit (about 70$). He was amazed. So I gave him the info of what I had, and the address to fasttech's site, and told him that's where I got it from.
Meh, no... not unless it was someone I knew well.
I'm more than willing to 100% help out anyone who is interested, but I'm not trying to solicit anyone.
I got hooked on the idea of a PV immediately. My buddy at work was using one and after a crappy experience with Blu I was all "WHAT IS THAT? I WANT ONE". He gave me the links I needed to start and I ordered it that night.
However, we have two other vapers at work that have been very happily using disposable cigalikes for months. They were curious and asked about the PVs, I sent them the links and info, but they're still on cigalikes. If it works for them it works for them.
Other smokers have been curious and asked me what I'm doing. Most expressed that it was "too big" or "too complicated" and that's where my effort stopped. I got bigger fish to fry.
I'm more than willing to 100% help out anyone who is interested, but I'm not trying to solicit anyone.
I got hooked on the idea of a PV immediately. My buddy at work was using one and after a crappy experience with Blu I was all "WHAT IS THAT? I WANT ONE". He gave me the links I needed to start and I ordered it that night.
However, we have two other vapers at work that have been very happily using disposable cigalikes for months. They were curious and asked about the PVs, I sent them the links and info, but they're still on cigalikes. If it works for them it works for them.
Other smokers have been curious and asked me what I'm doing. Most expressed that it was "too big" or "too complicated" and that's where my effort stopped. I got bigger fish to fry.
I would just tell them about whitecloud if they want cheaper disposables and the ECF address. As others mentioned, a mod is going to seem scary. You could also let them know that there are refillable rechargeable cigalikes.
Not everyone wants the "hassle" of doing anything other than what they are use to. I know my wife would still be smoking cigarettes if I weren't the one checking her PV's and APV's every couple of days. She just want's to "smoke" (she at least acknowledges that she likes "vaping" better..)
However, introducing those that would rather just do disposables and other cig-a-likes, to a PV system can at least start them thinking about what they want!!
However, introducing those that would rather just do disposables and other cig-a-likes, to a PV system can at least start them thinking about what they want!!
If someone asks, I'm perfectly happy to tell them as much as they're willing to hear. I won't, however approach someone and offer unsolicited advice. Some people are completely happy with their cigalikes. I think that approaching a stranger and basically telling them, "You're doing it wrong," is in poor taste, even if it is with good intentions--it's like being stopped by an evangelist on the street.
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If I see someone vaping disposables, I almost always introduce myself and congratulate them on taking that first step away from the world of smoking.
Then I'll usually show them some kind of small tank mounted on an ego style battery and tell them there's more to be had for what they're already spending for those expensive disposables, and when they're ready to take the next step to give me a call...
Then I give them a business card with my phone number on it.
This is normally my personal business card for my work as a Management Systems Consultant and something I do not for the vaping company I work for, but for my own desire to see people give up cigarettes for good!
Apparently Necessary Disclaimer: Any item(s), and vendor(s) mentioned above, were purchased for my personal use, and in no way sold by or affiliated with my business interests...
Then I'll usually show them some kind of small tank mounted on an ego style battery and tell them there's more to be had for what they're already spending for those expensive disposables, and when they're ready to take the next step to give me a call...
Then I give them a business card with my phone number on it.
This is normally my personal business card for my work as a Management Systems Consultant and something I do not for the vaping company I work for, but for my own desire to see people give up cigarettes for good!
Apparently Necessary Disclaimer: Any item(s), and vendor(s) mentioned above, were purchased for my personal use, and in no way sold by or affiliated with my business interests...
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I supplied a good friend with both an example to follow (went from diehard smoker to vaping about 3 years ago with much improved health) and a second hand eGo starter "kit" with an assortment of atomizers, carts, and liquid to try out. He carried that stuff around for nearly a year without really trying it or asking for help. I was never pushy. I put it out there for him to try out if/when he got ready to. Eventually he did ask for some direction and I did spend an hour or so showing him how everything worked. I'm pretty sure he did try it out here and there, but he never really took to it. Along the way, he would see how my vaping tools evolved, and that I was still sticking with it and continuing to be healthy. Tobacco was just too easy and too familiar for him. You can lead a horse to water and all that.
That last sit down vaping instruction was a few weeks before he died. He was 54 when he passed from a heart attack last October, no doubt earned from his entire adult life of smoking. The bright spot in this story was meeting his adult kids at his funeral. They had found the e-cig stuff when going through his belongings. The context of where they were found let them know that I had supplied it to him. I spent about an hour on his front porch giving his kids, both smokers, the same instruction he got. I also followed up with an e-mail with links to here along with a couple of vendors I favor. I got a positive e-mail reply from his son. Apparently he had success with the hand-me-downs I had asked them to keep, and had also found some local stores to visit. He and his wife were trying out new products that they had seen at the store.
Moral of the story: People want what they want. Some just don't see the value or care to be bothered with superior vaping hardware and liquids. It's good to show them some better products. But don't expect everyone to have the patience and persistence you had to have in order to get to that.
That last sit down vaping instruction was a few weeks before he died. He was 54 when he passed from a heart attack last October, no doubt earned from his entire adult life of smoking. The bright spot in this story was meeting his adult kids at his funeral. They had found the e-cig stuff when going through his belongings. The context of where they were found let them know that I had supplied it to him. I spent about an hour on his front porch giving his kids, both smokers, the same instruction he got. I also followed up with an e-mail with links to here along with a couple of vendors I favor. I got a positive e-mail reply from his son. Apparently he had success with the hand-me-downs I had asked them to keep, and had also found some local stores to visit. He and his wife were trying out new products that they had seen at the store.
Moral of the story: People want what they want. Some just don't see the value or care to be bothered with superior vaping hardware and liquids. It's good to show them some better products. But don't expect everyone to have the patience and persistence you had to have in order to get to that.
I had one guy who was curious about my rig, and as I started explaining how to fill it, charge it, etc etc etc, his eyes just glazed. Not everyone is going to be okay with the more fiddly aspects of bigger, better options, even if it is money saving in the end. If people are more comfortable with smaller, less complicated things, find that they actually work, and don't mind the expense of 'em, then that's just fine. I'm not going to challenge anyone's spending if that spending keeps them off analogs.
Out in public - I take my cigalikes. On vacation, I take my Flings (White Cloud disposables).
Works for me.
I have a friend who has been vaping as long as I have and never moved past cigalikes and pre-filled carts,
and is not interested in doing so.
Works for me.
I have a friend who has been vaping as long as I have and never moved past cigalikes and pre-filled carts,
and is not interested in doing so.
With smokers I take a totally dofferent tact... I simply join the group and vape away with the most ostintatious OUT THERE Mod I have on me... Right now that's usually my SVD with a AGA-T+ RBA on it... I never mention it at all till someone asks about it. And someone almost always does... At that point I pick up as in my previous post...
Ending by taking that much smaller device I always have with me and teaching a 90 second demo on STEALTH VAPING!
I've converted a lot of smokers over the years (at least temporarily converted) and it's always been the stealth vaping demo that hooked 'em. Just the thought of getting to stay at their desk and avoid the oppressive texas heat is enough to make them want to give it a try
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Ending by taking that much smaller device I always have with me and teaching a 90 second demo on STEALTH VAPING!
I've converted a lot of smokers over the years (at least temporarily converted) and it's always been the stealth vaping demo that hooked 'em. Just the thought of getting to stay at their desk and avoid the oppressive texas heat is enough to make them want to give it a try
Apparently Necessary Disclaimer: The item(s), and/or vendor(s) mentioned above, were purchased/patronized for my personal use, and in no way sold by or affiliated with my business interests...
Where I work, vaping is allowed in the break room, so everyone there knows what it is, and the many options available. They see Egos,ProVaris, other mods, and mechs on a daily basis. There is one lady who has a cigalike. She seems happy with it. If she wants something else, she can ask. I personally don't think it is a good idea to approach someone who is not interested.
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