I think I have evolved as a vaper. I don't get the same satisfaction that I use to off my nautilus mini with my eleaf 20 watt. I still have it as a back up but would gladly loan it out of give it away if a friend wanted to try it. It took me a while to get into the higher wattage vapeing but I feel I am getting more satisfaction from the the higher watts and temp control. Just my 2 cents.