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asd

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Hello all

My DBSB stopped working recently I tried3-4 different attys, cartos and batteries. Just now I tried it with a brand new atty and 3.7v batt and it worked I said "OK let me try the carto again" and what do you know, it didnt work and the battery spring collapsed ?? wtf :)

Should I try agian with different batteries
 

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Not off the top of my head, send me that email ;)

What do you mean do I ever leave the forum? I have a spidey sense I just know when there are forum posts sometimes lol :p

I havent been posting much here lately been somewhat busy, we moved to a new location about two weeks ago (no we didnt announce it hehe), then vapefest happened, and now playing catch up :p
 

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Yikes! you collapsed the spring!?!?

I'm sure Rob and Chad will take care of you but... in the mean time we can speculate! :D

With a collapsed spring it's no wonder most everything doesn't work. Battery isn't getting pressed up agains the positive contact or just barely. maybe.

Collapsing the spring would only happen by dead shorting an unprotected battery. Are you/were you using an unprotected battery?

Got a multimeter to check your stuff to see if any of them have approximately zero resistance?
 

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Well after the spring collapsed the battery cant touch the positve contact anymore. The spring is completely flat.

Ok. for the sping to go completely flat it must have gotten really hot (as in glowing). For it to get really hot it must have had some serious current flowing through it for some amount of time. Even continuous current with amps you would get with a atomizer/cartomizer resistance in the circuit won't come close to doing that (I think). So... likely it was shorted. A protected battery should have cut off with that kind of current. A regular battery might not even have the kind of discharge rate capabilities even when shorted. A high discharge rate battery would.

Interesting mystery. Not sure I want the answer from Chad yet... I think we should speculate a while longer first :p
 

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good going detective :) lol I was actually using a high drain Nimh battery when the spring collapsed. The hot spring looks like it got really hot because the copper color has changed in the middle. I felt the PV get really hot both the top and the bottom.

I put it down immediately and walked away. After half an hour of highly expected explosion, nothing happened so I took the battery out of the SB and threw it away.
 

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Ahhh.... yes. Was it one of those red high discharge rate batteries? Those suckers are capable of providing a whopping 6C (or maybe 10C?) of continious current. whoo hoo! That's something like 10 Amps for 8 or 10 minutes. I'm guessing it didn't have anything to do with the battery malfunctioning (shorting internally), more likely it was the connector on the atty/carto shorting, or an adapter if you were using one, or the positive cap on the battery came in contact with the side of the battery tube because the casing/insulation was damaged. Of course if it was shorted for long enough to melt the spring then I suppose the battery could possibly have sustained some damage.

I'm not a huge fan of those batteries since they are not electrically protected. Lol, your system IS sort of mechanically protected (as you saw) in that the battery is capable of producing plenty enough current to melt the spring. Spring collapses and the battery loses contact with one end or the other :). Actually that's probably a lot safer than a smaller discharge rate, unprotected battery. With the high discharge rate you "blow the fuse" by melting the spring. With a smaller discharge rate it's probably not going to melt the spring in a short amount of time and the body of the PV and, especially the battery, are going to get a lot hotter. Even with the "safe" chemistry batteries there will still be some venting and very hot goo being expelled (although no real explosion or flames).

Congrats. All the component specs said that's what should happen in theory... and now you've demonstrated it in practice :).
 
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ASD, there would have been no damage to the IMR battery. It only takes a second or two for one of those to colapse the spring... ask me how i know LOL. I stopped testing my new builds with them so I would not collapse any springs. One of the adapters most likely crushed the insulator grounding it out, causing the high current draw from the battery. Both of my IMR cells have melted shrink wrap from doing this a few too many times.... I still use them to this day:toast:
 
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