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Buggainok

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I never see people really vaping in public places, but see them a lot when I'm in my car. I was stopped next to a cute young mom, who was talking a mile a minute, probably to her kids in the back. She was one of those people who talks with their hands, and she was waving that ego around to beat the band while she was talking, then occasionally would take a puff off of it. It was funny!:)
 

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A fellow about 30 pulled up next to me and was hitting a vape, I yelled out "how long?"
He came back with "no cigs for a month now".
I told him he is winning and don't give up.
They say vaping doesn't help to stop smoking, but everything I've see says otherwise.
I guess they just want to tax us more. :(

We see things in the same spectrum of color!!
 

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I've said this over and over again...I quit smoking accidentally. I started ecigs just as a way to smoke indoors without leaving a residue or smell in the air. That was all with the original intent. Went from a PAD to about 3 per day instantly. like a month or two later, I totally quit. That's why I have no timer banner, because I don't know the exact date.. I never tried to quit. I even had four packs and 3 in the last pack... left the open pack in the truck when we sold the truck (on purpose).

I am still amazed at how the FDA can force companies to take the smoking cessation claim off an Ecigarette website, but I still see "magnetic bands to stop smoking" or all the homeopathic remedies to stop smoking still stay up. It wasn't until people started to actually discovered that ecigarettes actually help people to stop smoking by offering a viable substitute for getting the nicotine that mimicked real smoking became available that the bans started to come up. I have never been a "conspiracy theorist", nor did I think the government was out to blatantly rob people of money, but after experiencing a product that effortlessly helped me quit the smoking habbit, then I turn around and see this product under attack constantly by taxation and just outright banning, I now see the true side of the story.

I started ecigarettes blindly. I bought a trial ecig in the grocery store knowing NOTHING about ecigarettes or knowing the potential to actually stop smoking. I vaped for a few weeks and noticed my smoking habbits quickly diminishing.. noticed how my cigarette started to taste worse and worse.... THEN I did some research and found out people were using these to actually quit. I continued out of curiosity, and guess what... I quit.

FDA hasn't approved it as a smoking cessation device, so, people cannot market it as a smoking cessation device. There have been thousands of cases of people actually quitting smoking due to ecigarettes. All the ingredients have been used for inhalation. Propylene glycol has been used for inhalation for many many years by millions of people with little or no alarm being sent out. Vegetable Glycerin is also GRAS, and has the same low toxicity as PG (if not lower). Nicotine, the drug that chains everyone to cigarettes, does not cause cancer. yet combine the three, and it must be taxed as a "sin tax" the result would cause people to go back to smoking something that will kill them eventually. It is utterly absurd.

The only reason I can see this, is there's big money to be had somewhere. It's becoming more popular, so the government must be viewing this as a means to make more money to balance their failing budgets. In instances where it's not about the government income, the Tobacco industry is lobbying because it's an attack on their industry. The people who rally behind these bills are the uninformed. They see something that looks like smoke, so it must be smoke, and smoke causes cancer. Well, that's simply not true.

Where there's smoke, there's fire, but where there's vapor, there's a healthier person. People just need to get that point across.

Ok.. stepping off my soapbox.
 

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A fellow about 30 pulled up next to me and was hitting a vape, I yelled out "how long?"
He came back with "no cigs for a month now".
I told him he is winning and don't give up.
They say vaping doesn't help to stop smoking, but everything I've see says otherwise.
I guess they just want to tax us more. :(

Because they define smoking to include vaping or anything that resembles smoking.
 

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Hm... Recent stories I can think of...
Back before I had my MVP 2 or Kamry K1000, a coworker of mine showed me his iTaste SVD. That's sort of what motivated me to buy better mods. I saw him hit it randomly near the lockers, surprised to find that we're actually allowed to vape at work (I work at a restaurant). Recently I've impressed him with my Nautilus and Protank 3 mini. :p

I was even more surprised to find that two of my managers have really small smoov batteries with evods hooked on them. One quit smoking from it and the other still smokes, but uses it while working. Still cuts down on analogs though, one step closer to quitting. I showed the one who quit my K1000 and he freaked out over it, but not in a bad way. :laugh:

Then today I was walking down a main road to get to the pharmacy to pick up some drinks, saw a couple people sitting outside a pizzeria. One of them was vaping on a Coolfire 2, so I asked him about it and we ended up getting into a long conversation about various things. It's pretty cool, gonna have to visit some more B&Ms around the area. I know there are a couple within reasonable walking distance.
 

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Because they define smoking to include vaping or anything that resembles smoking.
That's a lot to do with them being marketed as a type of Cigarette rather than vaporizers.
Also terms like smoking vapor rather than vaping vapor helps to keep them close in similarity in the public minds.

Politicians cling to and use words like those to their advantage, as well as the media does.. them being the main source to the public,the public becomes none the wiser until we,The vapers, start to inform them of the differences..
Even new people to vaping a lot of times, see smoke and cig, rather than vaporizers and vapor..

To win public opinion, which will back the politicians off us.We need better use of terms rather than nicknames that will confuse those that don't know adam from eve of what we are really doing..:)
 

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"We" know different, don't we? I know I've tried and failed so many times and after a while of vaping......I new I was gonna be a non-smoker. I absolutely love it. :)

Exactly my experience. Tried gum, patch, pharma, nothing got close. After a day of vaping and no monster cravings or crap attitude, I knew I could quit cigs. 3 days in today and still not worried. I know I am an ex smoker.


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I guess they just want to tax us more. :(

I wish it was just an issue about taxation or terminology, but Big Tobacco wants regulations that will keep only prepackaged disposables available, and Big Pharma wants to preserve the revenue from both ineffective cessation aids and cancer meds. The lobbying money flows through "health" organizations like the American Lung Association, which peddles influence to local and regional health boards. If the trend to ban vaping and eliquid continues at the local and state level, the FDA won't have to do a thing. Vapers in Illinois and New York are already getting nailed, making Ohio's proposed tax seem better than outright bans.

Finally there is something that made it pretty easy to stop smoking, and while many of us blame government for proposed and existing restrictions, our real enemy is Big Pharma and Big Tobacco, misinforming elected officials and the public at every turn.

Our primary advocate is CASAA, and membership is free! CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association We need to show our support to help more smokers have a chance to get healthy!
 

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I have heard that the percentage of people that successfully quit smoking is much higher if you have some sort of support group. Whether it be family friends or whatever.
I have never seen a better support group than a vape in one hand and perusing the forum with the other. This is the absolutely with out a doubt the best support group I have ever seen. My wife and I owe our success to ECF and all the people here. If this could be packaged and sold you'd make a million. Actually between vaping and the group it's priceless.

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I see people vaping everywhere now days. In traffic, in shopping malls, at the car wash, everywhere! It seems to be an epidemic. Thank God! I have too tried everything to quit smoking with no success. It was not until I discovered vaping that I realized that I actually had a chance. It has been over 4 months now and no problem with the withdrawals or even a curious "what if". I can't stand the smell anymore. This is how successful this is. Now that other institutions are realizing the effectiveness and how it affects their bottom line (both now and future), this has to be banned or taxed until they can get their dog in the fight. The cig-alikes that they portray as alternative methods quite frankly don't work. They are inconsistent, expensive and don't last very long. How is this acceptable and 2nd or 3rd gen vaping equipment not? Because they don't have their piece of the pie! Plain and simple!

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