Small DNA devices with sturdy 510?

[i_L1fe]

Greetings vapers. Been a while since visited forum.

Last few months I've been periodically looking for single 18650 / 21700 dna devices that have a sturdy 510. Something similar to SHOP

My last device purchased in 2018 was the jaq vapour series b that lasted ~9 months due to 1 drop on whippy 510. Since then I've made decision to not buy a device that doesn't have full 510 base similar to fat daddy connector. But not finding anything ideal.

My ideal device would be a device small size like the series B, zinc metal like vapourshark RDNA40, with a fat daddy like sturdy connector, with a DNA 75/75c board, removable bat, rubber / silicon removable skin. Small and durable. Anyone came across anything similar?

P.S - I hope one day the vaping industry will see the light and realize the 510 was made for atomizer same diameter as device itself. AKA a cigalike diameter device. Old days of cartomizer / cartomizer tanks. Not 22-25mm tanks on whippy connector. Zen from house of hybrids knew what he was talking about years back trying to get industry toward new standard but didn't take. So in meantime the only workaround is full size connector will solid steel base.

 

[i_L1fe]

Hmm. No response or recommendations is new here. My searching for such vape device has given similar results.

 

[Mordacai]

Hello @i_L1fe, the only things that come to mind are custom or bespoke mods.

But as for 510 connectors, steellabs.it has some decent ones to choose from.

Have you ever thought about swapping out the 510 connector from your series B?

That's of course if it's possible to get the device apart, some possible case modding and a bit of soldering.

And unfortunately over the years, I've got to say that plastics can take the most abuse. But sometimes it's nice to mix materials.

The Psyclone Mods Sqevo comes to mind, but no ideas on if a Squonk mod is of interest to you though.

 

[Skeebo]

Greetings vapers. Been a while since visited forum.

Last few months I've been periodically looking for single 18650 / 21700 DNA devices that have a sturdy 510. Something similar to SHOP

My last device purchased in 2018 was the jaq vapour series b that lasted ~9 months due to 1 drop on whippy 510. Since then I've made decision to not buy a device that doesn't have full 510 base similar to fat daddy connector. But not finding anything ideal.

My ideal device would be a device small size like the series B, zinc metal like vapourshark RDNA40, with a fat daddy like sturdy connector, with a DNA 75/75c board, removable bat, rubber / silicon removable skin. Small and durable. Anyone came across anything similar?

P.S - I hope one day the vaping industry will see the light and realize the 510 was made for atomizer same diameter as device itself. AKA a cigalike diameter device. Old days of cartomizer / cartomizer tanks. Not 22-25mm tanks on whippy connector. Zen from house of hybrids knew what he was talking about years back trying to get industry toward new standard but didn't take. So in meantime the only workaround is full size connector will solid steel base.

My last DNA mod purchase was the Dovpo Odin mini DNA75C. It has the ability to take a single 21700 battery or a 18650. I am not sure it has a 510 connection that is as beefy as you want though...

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

You are most likely going to have to do some surgery in order to get exactly what you want - buy a decent 510 and install it. Fasttech sells some beefy 510s for a reasonable price. Just search "510 connector" on their site.

 

[i_L1fe]

Hello @i_L1fe, the only things that come to mind are custom or bespoke mods.

But as for 510 connectors, steellabs.it has some decent ones to choose from.

Have you ever thought about swapping out the 510 connector from your series B?

That's of course if it's possible to get the device apart, some possible case modding and a bit of soldering.

And unfortunately over the years, I've got to say that plastics can take the most abuse. But sometimes it's nice to mix materials.

The Psyclone Mods Sqevo comes to mind, but no ideas on if a Squonk mod is of interest to you though.

I'll checkout steel labs 510s.
Yes I've looked into jaq support twice. Back when it happened and just before making this thread. Jaq won't sell the top cap or 510. It gets its ground from press fit 510 too. Don't like. Cheaply made. (Which is what everyone mentioned last time I inquired btw ~$80 device - I'd gladly pay $200-300 for good device like first post but seems throw away vape devices is what the world demands)
I did get it cooperating at about .10 resistence off after the drop but after a month it got to .15-.2 off (press fit) and it vaped wrong (SS wire / watts mode)
Basically I'd have to do some real surgery to get a new off brand (whippy) 510 to fit. And clearance vertically is quite tight in series B. What I've more considered is buying a make your own box kit and using its board. But then its be a bigger size box, not pocket friendly. House device. Unless one knows of small device DIY kti.

Pysclone appears squonk made device but I'll investigate further. I'm still on trusty kayfunv5 mostly.

Thanks.

 

[i_L1fe]

My last DNA mod purchase was the Dovpo Odin mini DNA75C. It has the ability to take a single 21700 battery or a 18650. I am not sure it has a 510 connection that is as beefy as you want though...

Thanks. Maybe seen before but passed by. I'll watch some videos.
I do see its got bit of a steel base + 510 is actually flush which is big deal IMO
Most device reviewers back in day used to always bring up "gappy" 510s due to cosmetic preference issues but my issue with that is the whippy 510s then get even more potential for leverage damage.
The jaqs series b 510 is ever so slightly lifted - why it likely couldn't survive 1 drop onto concrete garage floor.

 

[i_L1fe]

You are most likely going to have to do some surgery in order to get exactly what you want - buy a decent 510 and install it. Fasttech sells some beefy 510s for a reasonable price. Just search "510 connector" on their site.

I'll need to get some digital calibers to get proper measurement of whats needed. There is so little space. That's why I hopped to get the OEM part but its not sold.
I may see if can find a way to cut into top cap to get a steel base into it if I every decide to fix. Or use board is something else. Maybe DYI box kit for home device.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Well I can tell you this, as far as I know, FT no longer carries any flush mount 510 connectors.

As far as how much room you need, the bottom threading on all the 510 connectors I have from FT is around 10mm and the length of the whole inner part will most likely be around 10.5mm or more.

 

[i_L1fe]

Well I can tell you this, as far as I know, FT no longer carries any flush mount 510 connectors.

As far as how much room you need, the bottom threading on all the 510 connectors I have from FT is around 10mm and the length of the whole inner part will most likely be around 10.5mm or more.

Ok, thanks for info. Yeah and to modify the series B with a 510 that has a good steel base connector that could sit on top of top cap won't work. Its two top cap screws are only a ~3mm gap right next to 510 press fit insert connector. So it have to replace it with one similar to whats sold. Which protrudes out 1-2mm from top cap.

 

[i_L1fe]

Hello @i_L1fe,

But as for 510 connectors, steellabs.it has some decent ones to choose from.

Those do look like a solid connector. Won't work for series B due to near by top cap screws, but I also have a Innokin Oceanus that is also off way off on resistance needing replacement. It very well might work in that mod. (Damn 510s)
Thanks!

 

[i_L1fe]

Current daily driver - Yes, she’s a beauty. Coming close to 6 yrs of age. She used to wear a skin but in her old age, she just bares all.

Its lasted IMO without a solid steel base 510 due to sturdy zinc metal + the recessed 510. So when it takes a fall the device as a whole absorbs impact and not the 510 connector.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Its two top cap screws are only a ~3mm gap right next to 510 press fit insert connector. So it have to replace it with one similar to whats sold.

Even if you found a proper size flush mounted 510 (good luck), the next issue could be that the nut that secures it under the top cap of the mod might get in the way of the top cap screws.

To use a top mounted 510, your only solution would be to drill holes in the 510 landing pad so that you would have access to the screws. But it will be hard to do if you wan ta nice, finished look to the holes. But you still have the problem of the nut underneath possibly being in the way of the top cap screws.

I did something similar to my Sigelei Mini 30W but it was easier than what you would have to do because you would have to drill 2 holes straight through the landing pad.

For my job, I only had to make "holes" at the edge, so no drilling, per se. I basically ground the holes out with the side of a drill bit. Pretty easy to do. I did not clean up the "holes" I made to make it look more finished because it is only a sigelei mini 30W lol.

So in your case, you don't want a beefy landing pad, you want a thin one because not only would a beefy top cap add to the height of your atty, but it would be harder to drill holes in it (assuming you don't have the proper shop tools and are only using a hand drill).

This one isn't the same 510 on the Sigelei above, but I have one in front of me and the landing pad is only 1.2mm thick. The part that would be under the top cap is 11.1mm so you would probably need a minimum of 13.5mm minimum or so below the underside of the top cap because the travel of the spring-loaded pin is about 2.3mm.

 

[Mordacai]

Can you show a picture of these offending screws @i_L1fe? As engineering around those isn't that much of an issue, as there's a couple of ways to deal with them.

Best way could possibly be to drill holes through the 510 plate, countersink the holes and use longer countersink screws.

And yes, the Sqevo is a Squonker. Just thought that it would be good for you to get hold of some ideas.

But I have definitely got to agree that there's not enough single 21700 DNA75 mods on the market.

 

[Mordacai]

Hmmm?

https://www.3avape.com/sxk-supbox-dna60-box-mod.html

 

[i_L1fe]

Can you show a picture of these offending screws @i_L1fe? As engineering around those isn't that much of an issue, as there's a couple of ways to deal with them.

Best way could possibly be to drill holes through the 510 plate, countersink the holes and use longer countersink screws.

And yes, the Sqevo is a Squonker. Just thought that it would be good for you to get hold of some ideas.

But I have definitely got to agree that there's not enough single 21700 DNA75 mods on the market.

Yeah. Big watts and big clouds multi bat seems to be what market demands.
I'm still vaping MTL @ 14-16 watts - own mixes 12mg 70PG,30VG. Don't need bulky multi bat devices. Just a single bat device which can have bat swapped on fly.

Here's shot of top cap with 2 screw holes next to press fit 510. Still haven't pried it outta there.
FYI at ~6 months series B rubber finish started wearing bad. So I just scraped remaining off. I do have some ugly devices

 

[i_L1fe]

Hmmm?

√ SXK SUPBOX DNA60 Box Mod 70w

Hmm indeed. I'll check it out more. I do like height & protected connector. Looks solid.
I remember when first billetboxes hit market and do know they are for the MTL.
Similar vape / airflow to other MTLs attys like Kayfunv5, Digiflavor Siren, Zenith, ect?

 

[i_L1fe]

Even if you found a proper size flush mounted 510 (good luck), the next issue could be that the nut that secures it under the top cap of the mod might get in the way of the top cap screws.

To use a top mounted 510, your only solution would be to drill holes in the 510 landing pad so that you would have access to the screws. But it will be hard to do if you wan ta nice, finished look to the holes. But you still have the problem of the nut underneath possibly being in the way of the top cap screws.

I did something similar to my Sigelei Mini 30W but it was easier than what you would have to do because you would have to drill 2 holes straight through the landing pad.

For my job, I only had to make "holes" at the edge, so no drilling, per se. I basically ground the holes out with the side of a drill bit. Pretty easy to do. I did not clean up the "holes" I made to make it look more finished because it is only a sigelei mini 30W lol.

So in your case, you don't want a beefy landing pad, you want a thin one because not only would a beefy top cap add to the height of your atty, but it would be harder to drill holes in it (assuming you don't have the proper shop tools and are only using a hand drill).

This one isn't the same 510 on the Sigelei above, but I have one in front of me and the landing pad is only 1.2mm thick. The part that would be under the top cap is 11.1mm so you would probably need a minimum of 13.5mm minimum or so below the underside of the top cap because the travel of the spring-loaded pin is about 2.3mm.

Lots of good info here. Thank you. I wasn't even thinking about clearance inside device but of course.
Hmm. Yeah with my limited tools + modding experience the series b not the easiest device. Very small
(which I love - but not its 510)
I'll see what I can do to get some measurements but even if screw issue was addressed believe there is not enough vertical space for that particular connector.

 

[Mordacai]

That's deffinitely a countersink and longer screws candidate.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I forgot. There's varitube in the USA. They have a 10mm 510 that might work out for ya.

VT_510-V1-VT 510-V1 Connector - Self-adjusting Center Pin