It was still Nada, same exact figures as you've got there :/
On a lighter note it does produce a vapable hit at 580°F+.
On a lighter note it does produce a vapable hit at 580°F+.
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Hmm, I've raised my ohms reading to .39 now and it has much improved, still not 100% but at 450°F I'm getting a decent enough hit. I have a feeling there is something wrong with either the 510 or the amount of power it gives out.
I'm still going to reinstall the software using the old tool, something isn't working somewhere.
Thanks for all the help tonight btw dude, it helps to have another person giving suggestions, makes troubleshooting a lot easier.
I'm still going to reinstall the software using the old tool, something isn't working somewhere.
Thanks for all the help tonight btw dude, it helps to have another person giving suggestions, makes troubleshooting a lot easier.
OK I think the only solution is to basically manually calibrate it.
Put the TCR up to 0.004 in Titanium mode.
With one of your Titanium coils, put some fresh cotton in - whatever you normally use. Leave it dry, no juice. And don't re-assemble the full tank/atomizer, just leave the deck exposed.
Fire it set to 450°F/230°C. Check the wick afterwards. You are looking for a light singe on the cotton. If you get worse than that, smoke/fire, then replace the wick and reduce the TCR down to 0.0039 and repeat. If you don't even get a singe, increase the TCR to 0.0041 and repeat. Make sure the wick is quite tight in the coil for all tests - not excessively so, just be sure it's snugly touching all sides.
At an accurate 450/230 you should definitely get some mark on the cotton (I'm assuming you use cotton not Rayon?), so we're calibrating to see that mark.
Once you find a TCR that achieves a light mark and no more, the resulting vape should be good with vaguely sensible temperatures. Your max is 600°F so you don' really wnat to have to set 580°F to get any vape.
It's far from precise, and I don't know why have to do it with Titanium, but if it works you should hopefully get a working TC vape. And then maybe 1.093 or 1.10 might fix things. If it doesn't, it might be time to think about returning the mod, depending on how practical that is from where you bought it.
But we know your coil really is 0.33Ω, based on the build you made. By increasing the resistance you're basically doing something similar to adjusting the TCR, but not the ideal way around (you'll have to do it for every build). Try the TCR adjusting with a correct base resistance reading - do the atomizer off/Check Atomizer/atomizer on reset again to get back to 0.33Ω.
But yes re-installing the software can't hurt, and try that first. I would be amazed if it helped, but that would also be great to hear, so try that before anything else.
Put the TCR up to 0.004 in Titanium mode.
With one of your Titanium coils, put some fresh cotton in - whatever you normally use. Leave it dry, no juice. And don't re-assemble the full tank/atomizer, just leave the deck exposed.
Fire it set to 450°F/230°C. Check the wick afterwards. You are looking for a light singe on the cotton. If you get worse than that, smoke/fire, then replace the wick and reduce the TCR down to 0.0039 and repeat. If you don't even get a singe, increase the TCR to 0.0041 and repeat. Make sure the wick is quite tight in the coil for all tests - not excessively so, just be sure it's snugly touching all sides.
At an accurate 450/230 you should definitely get some mark on the cotton (I'm assuming you use cotton not Rayon?), so we're calibrating to see that mark.
Once you find a TCR that achieves a light mark and no more, the resulting vape should be good with vaguely sensible temperatures. Your max is 600°F so you don' really wnat to have to set 580°F to get any vape.
It's far from precise, and I don't know why have to do it with Titanium, but if it works you should hopefully get a working TC vape. And then maybe 1.093 or 1.10 might fix things. If it doesn't, it might be time to think about returning the mod, depending on how practical that is from where you bought it.
But we know your coil really is 0.33Ω, based on the build you made. By increasing the resistance you're basically doing something similar to adjusting the TCR, but not the ideal way around (you'll have to do it for every build). Try the TCR adjusting with a correct base resistance reading - do the atomizer off/Check Atomizer/atomizer on reset again to get back to 0.33Ω.
But yes re-installing the software can't hurt, and try that first. I would be amazed if it helped, but that would also be great to hear, so try that before anything else.
Can't hurt to give it a shot.
I've basically been calibrating it like that for the past few days and while it is giving me a decent tc vape it's a little worrying how sketchy it is.
Thanks again fella!
I've basically been calibrating it like that for the past few days and while it is giving me a decent tc vape it's a little worrying how sketchy it is.
Thanks again fella!
What I have noticed with the beta tool is that the third time's the charm. I did it three times and on the third time, the upgrade "took" and showed 1.092.
Really? Wow, it's so bad it's almost.. no, it's just bad. I only tried twice for the 1.092 update. I'll try harder next time
Did you first go to Download under Settings on your mod? That was suggested earlier as a difference. Though to be honest I am doubtful that that's doing anything different.
Anyway hopefully there will be another FW update soon to try again on SS so I'll try the new tool three times and if that still doesn't work I'll then try first going to Download on the mod.
Ok, I'll add some more wierdness to this situation with my latest experiences. Bought some 26 gauge ti1 wire yesterday and couldn't get it to do squat initially. Then I talked to my friend that works at a local vape shop who has had NO, I repeat NO problems whatsoever with the XCube 2. We put our heads together and figured that my issue must be my lack of having done the proper upgrade for Ti and Stainless through the bluetooth app. It wouldn't enable the profiles at all. That said, while I only have Ni in my firmware listings (Ti and Stainless won't show up at all), Ti vapes respectably on the Ni coefficient, and for me... fine tuning meant increasing the initial resistance by about half an ohm.
This is getting strange.
This is getting strange.
Really? Wow, it's so bad it's almost.. no, it's just bad. I only tried twice for the 1.092 update. I'll try harder next time
Did you first go to Download under Settings on your mod? That was suggested earlier as a difference. Though to be honest I am doubtful that that's doing anything different.
Anyway hopefully there will be another FW update soon to try again on SS so I'll try the new tool three times and if that still doesn't work I'll then try first going to Download on the mod.
Did you make sure you held down the firing bar once you clicked on the "Check version" button in the update tool? You can't let that thing go until you're done once you get past that point.
Vaping Titanium on the Ni200 profile without temperature adjustment will certainly give a good vape, but it won't be temperature controlled. You will get burnt hits. If you've got the mod set to 230°C the actual achieved temperature - at least on a normal mod, obviously the Smok is less predictable - will be near 400°C. This does serve to prevent the Titanium coil being destroyed by taking it above 600°C, but doesn't prevent dry hits or really count as TC.
Titanium can be vaped on a normal Ni200 profile no problem - I have a number of Ni200-only mods on which I vape Titanium. You need a temperature offset of 90-100°C. So instead of 230°C, set 130-140°C. On the Smok, perhaps up to 150°C.
Or if you were to adjust the TCR down, say to the minimum 0.004, the offset would be much smaller.
Though with the Smok I feel compelled to caveat that this is all theory and what works on other mods. Who knows what the Smok might do!
The Check Version thing doesn't communicate with the mod so far as I can see - it checks the Smok site and downloads the latest FW version, if not already present. You can do it any time, with no mod connected.
After doing Check Version to get the FW downloaded, I then removed my batteries, plugged the mod in via USB, held fire down and kept it held down while clicking Connect, then Upgrade, then Disconnect. Then released fire.
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I think I understand what you're saying about the TC, Bloke. I've got the temp set at 410 though, and it displays up to about 380 till the atty starts getting dry, where it spikes to 410 and gives me the "temp protected" message and won't fire steadily until I refil it. I truly don't get dry hits and don't understand what's happening.
For the upgrade, I apologize, I should have been more detailed. First, set the download to ON in the options, then remove your batteries. THEN plug in the cables. Check version, then hold down the fire button and proceed with the upgrade and don't release the button until you're done. Any order other than that has given me a negative result. Again, I apologize for not being more clear. Hope this helps.
I've got some pre-made Nickel heads that have been gathering dust since I just coil myself with 30AWG in my Kayfun/ Squape/ Lemo etc. Just for giggles and a bit of a test, I popped a new one in a subtank, primed it, tried it first on Sig 75W, worked well. Waited for it to cool, then put it on the xcube 2, yes to new coil, set at 420F- bang!!!! The coil literally fried!!! I can see in the gap between the base of the 'square bit' and the bottom of the head where the coil has melted like a fuse! It's a bit worrying!!
You make no mention of firmware version, or whether you set it on the XCube 2 to single or dual coils, or even whether or not you've done the upgrades through the bluetooth app, so that leaves a whole host of things that could have gone wrong. If you tried running it on the dual coil setting with a single coil, I'd imagine you'd get that result. It's not quite so simple as "plug and play" yet, with this device. Please be more careful in the future.
Well it's 1.091, SC, upgraded through the old tool that i've uploaded several pages back, i dont think you can just say "oh, user error".... I've been vaping a fair few years now and have never had a coil literally explode before!!! If it's happening to me and i'm doing it under controlled conditions, then just imagine how dangerous it could be if it was someone's first 'big mod', just saying really how flaky this thing is...
You skipped the part about running a single coil in dual coil mode, actually you don't mention the TC setup menu at all and this is the part where I was referring to a "host of things that can go wrong".
Also, I repeat, you give the impression that you just put the coil that functioned on another device which used an entirely different firmware, onto the XCube 2 and expected everything to autodetect. Not a good idea with this device... yet.
Finally, I never said user error. It should be clear by now that there is plenty to be debugged in this device, and just tossing stuff onto the device to see what happens is unwise at best, user error or not. With all the variances in the misbehavior of this device, the only thing that is going to keep you safe is slow, careful testing... and even that comes with no guarantees. If you had started at a much lower temp and slowly increased, you'd likely have found a sweet spot, or at least learned something other than how to blow up a coil. One thing everyone here can agree on is that the TCR's aren't functioning as they should on this device. As I said in closing my last post to you... please be careful.
Edit: And yes, while I absolutely adore VW mode on the XCube 2, the TC mode is very squirrely at the moment, and that's probably putting it a bit too lightly.
No you were clear, that's what I understood. I don't believe it's necessary to hold down fire while clicking Check Version, as I don't think this communicates with the mod but only downloads the firmware from Smok's site. It is however necessary to press the button before it will let you do the next steps, so I suppose it can't hurt to try having the fire pressed while doing Check Version. But I'll try without that, first.
The major difference in how I did it was that I did not set Download to On. I will try that next time in case it does do something.
The Smok TC is an utter mystery. The temperatures when I probe it are all over the place, the on-screen resistance figures don't match reality, it completely fails with SS wire in any mode including Titanium mode using what should be an appropriate offset. I'm going to have to spend more time examining it trying to figure out what on earth it's doing.
On the upside, I can TC vape it fairly successfully with Titanium at around 250°C. I just removed the tank on one of my RTAs and fired the damp wick to confirm it definitely was preventing dry hits, and it certainly was. In fact it wouldn't fire at all until I put a fan on the coil.
I think this might be one answer to why I can't yet get anything like sensible figures on the temp probing - it appears to have extremely sensitive "dry hit" prevention. It will cut power to what it believes is a dry coil almost immediately. I have tried temp testing with a fan on the coil and that resulted in it going way under temp, so it's not a complete answer, and the temperatures did not match what I subjectively get when I vape normally on it. Next I'm going to do a full wet wick/airflow temperature test, to try and simulate as best as possible a real vape.
I might also try temporarily downgrading it to 1.07 or 1.08 to see if it's actually got worse - or at least more unpredictable. Downgrading (with the original tool) would also then allow me to test the new upgrade tool again without needing to wait for a new FW update.
I don't have the xcube, but there's no way the mod should fire a dual coil differently to a single coil.
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Yeah it remains a mystery as to what the "SC" vs "DC" modes are. My assumption has been that it relates to the power delivery curve - probably it chucks more power/pre-heat in DC mode. Can't really be anything else in fact. On my list to test, once I've got my head around the TC (so don't hold your breath.)
My mistake, sorry, I meant 1.092, it's hard to keep track of their firmware numbering scheme!!- I was just running a little test with a Ni200 coil at a known resistance to see if any improvement had been made to their TC implementation for Nickel... If anything I think they've turned the dial the other way, that's certainly how it feels now compared to the ipv d2 and sig 75, haven't done a cotton burn test to check for charring/ smoke though yet.
Do we think the sc and dc mode differentiation is actually doing anything? Can't recall if DSLabs chap did a test on that?...
Was just a little alarmed that it should literally 'pop' a coil at what many would consider to be 'average' temperature, and just posted as a bit of a cautionary tale
My mistake, sorry, I meant 1.092, it's hard to keep track of their firmware numbering scheme!!- I was just running a little test with a Ni200 coil at a known resistance to see if any improvement had been made to their TC implementation for Nickel... If anything I think they've turned the dial the other way, that's certainly how it feels now compared to the ipv d2 and sig 75, haven't done a cotton burn test to check for charring/ smoke though yet.
Do we think the sc and dc mode differentiation is actually doing anything? Can't recall if DSLabs chap did a test on that?...
Was just a little alarmed that it should literally 'pop' a coil at what many would consider to be 'average' temperature, and just posted as a bit of a cautionary tale
Hehe, no worries. It does tend to spook a person when something blows up.
The guy that got my titanium up and running for me told me that they were dual and single coil modes. Visually, the display doesn't show any wattage increases or anything like that. However, when I set it to SC (I'm running dual coils) the heat up is either ridiculously slow or nonexistent. DC gives me a nice, consistent vape with no scorched juice or dry hits. Based on that, I'd have to say something is happening there. Specifically, though, I couldn't tell you what.
The dual coil/single coil setting is all about preheat.
Easy enough to test, build a 0.1 ohm single nickel coil, and a 0.1 ohm dual, pick a temperature, and measure the initial voltage at the atomizer when firing, using both SC/DC modes and soft/normal/hard settings with each.
Betcha a cookie the DC setting throws quite a bit more initial power at any draw effect setting (in addition to requiring more power to maintain the set temperature with a dual build).
Of course, they wouldn't have needed to implement SC/DC mode if they gave the user the option to manually select peak wattage when using temp control.
Easy enough to test, build a 0.1 ohm single nickel coil, and a 0.1 ohm dual, pick a temperature, and measure the initial voltage at the atomizer when firing, using both SC/DC modes and soft/normal/hard settings with each.
Betcha a cookie the DC setting throws quite a bit more initial power at any draw effect setting (in addition to requiring more power to maintain the set temperature with a dual build).
Of course, they wouldn't have needed to implement SC/DC mode if they gave the user the option to manually select peak wattage when using temp control.
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