Snooty vaping hipsters.

[DC2]

No, you're proving your addiction by insisting on your biased point of view.
It's called denial.

Except I'm not addicted, so where does that leave you?

I seriously doubt you could take me for anything because you're biased.
That's because you're ADDICTED and not even willing to consider that you just might be wrong.

No, you're the one that's wrong, and you can't see it because of all the propaganda you've been fed.

Your hostility to the truth is abhorrent to an open discussion..

So is your closed mind.

Furthermore your thret that you could take me for everything I own is both hostile and unwarranted

It's absolutely warranted, and if there was a bet we could make, you'd lose everything you are willing to lose.
And you have no idea how hostile I feel towards people who act the way you are acting.

I've not accused you of anything except posting a link to an article on a forum which is dedicated to vaping.
You on the other hand have accused me of using ANTZ tactics when I'm only posting the results
of a long time studying my own addiction.

You accused me of being addicted, which is flat out wrong.
And in doing so you damn well ARE using ANTZ tactics.

Moreover, I've already told you I'm not willing to continue this discussion yet you persist.

Then don't reply to me.

That is called harassment.
I suggest you CEASE and DESIST.
I don't discuss anything with people who have already made up their minds.

Look in the mirror.

I reiterate one more time, Sir.
I'm not interested in continuing this discussion because I'm not in the habit of banging my head into walls.
You, Sir, are a wall or are have surrounded your self by a wall of willful ignorance and are unwilling to consider anything that you think might threaten
the security of that wall..

If you want to argue with yourself knock yourself out, Sir.
But don't expect me to play this silly game with you.
I have better things to do and intelligent people with whom to discuss issues
who are unbiased and interested in the truth.

You better put me on ignore then, because otherwise you'll be seeing a lot more of me.
I spend the better part of my time these days fighting against what your arguments represent.

Now, I suggest that you read the rules of this forum because you are in violation of said rules by attempting to foment
a flame war with your false accusations and persistence after you have been advised that I'm not interested in continuing this discussion.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

 

[DC2]

Ok, I give up. What is ANTZ?

Anti-Nicotine and Tobacco Zealots.

Basically, these are the ANTZ right here...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger

 

[MonkeyTokes]

I don't mean to offend anyone, and I kind of went on a tangent about this in the e-liquid forum when I mentioned 100% vg juice so sorry if it is repetitive, but I thought I'd mention it here. We have a vape culture here that really bothers me. The epitome of it would be this downtown craft beer bar/vape lounge full of condescending hipsters dripping. Anyone who does not drip is inferior, and when I asked if they have any vg-only eliquid as I have a hard time with pg-containing liquids, the employee told me vg-only is only for dripping (is that a pretty widely held belief? I use 100% vg in my clearo and it clogs coils up quickly but hey, I prefer the vapor). I do not drip because I have a 1 year old son and do not want bottles of liquid sitting around. Also, I am vaping as a healthier and, for me, cheaper alternative to smoking, and I get dirty looks for having an ego-style battery (vision spinner 2 is it right now, getting back into vaping after reverting to smoking for a while). It's not about the way people choose to dress, or the fact that they like craft beer, it's the fact that they are "cooler" than anyone who chooses differently. I don't think I'll ever go back into that shop because of the attitude.

I see this all the time and its so annoying. Even on these forums people think they're better because so and so only has an ego and they have a 180w box mod, or so and so vapes dekang and not spacejam. The owners of my local B&M tried to belittle me for that one, in the end I just didn't want their garbage 10.99/10ml homemade juice. Anyway, the way I see it, all differences aside aren't we all here(be it EFC, a B&M or wherever) for the same reason, to quit smoking and save money? It's juvenile in my opinion and that's why I stick to online vendors and really have unfortunately been deterred from the vape culture as a whole.

 

[Racehorse]

Lol Andria when I read your post I would be a complete liar if I didn't think "drink till it's your crowd" when I read the bar comment.

Well one could actually do that without drinking, i.e. the whole "we are all ONE" zen thing. We all bleed.

IMHO, the way (narcissistic) media hosts have behaved on TV has had a very polarizing effect on people. Instead of looking for what we have in common with others, we now look for faultlines. And its become oh so fashionable to call "other people" STOOPID.

Its kinda a shame.

I had a friend from Jamaica who back in the days before civil rights really took hold, lived in the South and he'd go to a party and hold out his hand to shake, and some jerk once said to him : "I don't shake hands with N's...." and without skipping a beat, my friend laughed good-naturedly, thrust out his hand even further, and said "neither do I!"

He had a way of finding commonality with all human beings, and also a lot of humility and patience, in the truest deepest way, that we are all deeply flawed......and in his way always gave others "the opportunity" to redeem themselves. He had a gift.

And, given the opportunity, people often do.

There is no above or below, but there is ahead and behind... we may all be on the same continuum just that everyone is at a different "point" on that path. Sometimes you have to reach out and help people "catch up" on their humanity.

That path.....we were all young once .......and everyone young will someday be old. It's that part in between where we have to interact and have compassion/understanding for each other. In other words, there is so much commonality, it's just that sometimes the time thing doesn't quite find synchronicity in the moment.

 

[LiquidElectron]

Thread...off...the...rails.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Well one could actually do that without drinking, i.e. the whole "we are all ONE" zen thing. We all bleed.

IMHO, the way (narcissistic) media hosts have behaved on TV has had a very polarizing effect on people. Instead of looking for what we have in common with others, we now look for faultlines. And its become oh so fashionable to call "other people" STOOPID.

Its kinda a shame.

I had a friend from Jamaica who back in the days before civil rights really took hold, lived in the South and he'd go to a party and hold out his hand to shake, and some jerk once said to him : "I don't shake hands with N's...." and without skipping a beat, my friend laughed good-naturedly, thrust out his hand even further, and said "neither do I!" He had a way of finding commonality with all human beings, and also a lot of humility and patience, in the truest deepest way, that we are all deeply flawed......and in his way always gave others "the opportunity" to redeem themselves.

And, given the opportunity, people often do.

There is no above or below, but there is ahead and behind... we may all be on the same continuum just that everyone is at a different "point" on that path. Sometimes you have to reach out and help people "catch up" on their humanity.

I agree, but it was a joke hence the lol.

Personally one thing determines if I like someone or not, are they a nether region orifice? If the answer is no then we will get along just fine. If the answer is yes then there will be some "issues".

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Thread...off...the...rails.

Me thinks everyone needs a hug and a group vape. A strong drink wouldn't hurt much either.

 

[Jjshbetz11]

Well I'm doing the wine thing right now, sooo I'm not hipstering????

 

[caramel]

group vape.

to the left, please, to the left....

 

[Bikenstein]

This thread is very entertaining. Good comments and educational too. But I think ECF's disclaimers are mainly for the reason that all disclaimers are used. To prevent any possible lawsuit.

 

[bluecat]

Me thinks everyone needs a hug and a group vape. A strong drink wouldn't hurt much either.

Hipster Hug
When a flannel pearl snap shirt wearing, fedora sporting, 5 o'clock shadow rocking mid-twenty year old with thick rimmed glasses and rolled up pant legs (you know so they dont catch on my bike) grabs two cups of coffee and hops on a vespa and stares you down with that "Im better than you look" as he drives away listening to crappy acoustic music.
Guy: Dude what was all that?
Girl: He just gave us a hipster hug <3!!!!
Guy: We should see other people.

 

[sub4me]

If he keeps up with that crap, he's going to get to know me as well as you do.

Sorry you feel that way however what he posted in not crap, propaganda, or rheortic, its truth. You may not be willing to accept that truth but don't belittle another members views because you don't understand. Arguing against facts by calling a poster antz when it fits your agenda is weak. Most if not all here use nicotine and his being honest instead of cowering to an agenda does not make the poster an antz, its desperate name calling.

 

[DC2]

Sorry you feel that way however what he posted in not crap, propaganda, or rheortic, its truth. You may not be willing to accept that truth but don't belittle another members views because you don't understand. Arguing against facts by calling a poster antz when it fits your agenda is weak. Most if not all here use nicotine and his being honest instead of cowering to an agenda does not make the poster an antz, its desperate name calling.

I didn't call him an ANTZ.

I said he is using ANTZ tactics when he dismisses me by calling me an addict.
And that is exactly what he did, and those are definitely ANTZ tactics.

And I'll stand by that all day long and twice on Sundays.

 

[sub4me]

Which are same tactics used when it fits certain other agendas.

Sorry you dont like his posts but he couldn't be more right in every instance.

 

[Kloudz]

This thread is bringing out the CRAZY in everyone! What was a normal thread turned into bashing and name calling. Thought this place was good and is good, but this thread has brought out alot of keyboard cowboys.
Just my opinion.

 

[DC2]

Which are same tactics used when it fits certain other agendas.

What the .... are you talking about?

 

[AndriaD]

DC2,
You know I've always agreed with your postings, or at least somewhat but as was once reminded to me that everyone and everybody's body is different. Though yes as a general overview Nicotine may be classified as not highly addictive in what sense are they comparing it to. If your going to go with the illegal drugs then yes nicotine is not even a concern when we play compare and contrast but if your going with like caffeine then I'd say its as addictive if not more so. Also keep in mind that this is outlining a typical user at as set safe amount regulated however we all know that regulations in the real world are only a suggestion much like the speed limit is in most cases.

I'd like to point out that being a horrible soda drinker I know addiction, yah I got off it for a while but not without some issues, now a study shows that it shouldn't be that way to get off caffeine but why, it may be because I'm consuming way above the considered recommended level of it per day would have a lot to do with it. Remember that though information is great, it is all subjective in a lot of senses, everyone has a different issue, different body and different personality to deal with so what a study may say "is" may not be so for that person. Not picking any just saying..

Thank you for posting the link however a we can start to understand what "Nicotine" really is and the general issues that new vapers may run in to as they come down off it. Information is power and with that we can help a lot more folks get through it safely, have you any more information on maybe the health effects and know symptoms of coming off it so we could as well offer that.

I was once a 10-cup-a-day coffee drinker, and getting off THAT was *ROUGH* -- like permanent migraine for about a week; and the only cure for the headache was caffeine!

However, dropping from a 10-cup-a-day habit with TEA, to 2-3 cups a day... no symptoms whatever, no headache, no "antsy," nuttin at all... except I stopped ...... every 20 minutes.

And now everytime I drink a whole bottle or can of Dr Pepper, you nearly need to peel me off the ceiling -- "WHAT?!?! ME?!?! NERVOUS?!?!? NAH!!!"

It's all about the dose... and individual's tolerance to it.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Thought this place was good and is good, but this thread has brought out alot of keyboard cowboys.

There is a chance this thread might get extremely ugly soon...

 

[Kloudz]

This thread is bringing out the addictive and "must post" something in this thread.

 

[AndriaD]

Me thinks everyone needs a hug and a group vape. A strong drink wouldn't hurt much either.

A strong cup of tea!!!

Andria