So as of now, whats gonna happen to ecigs?

[Andromendous]

I've done quite a bit of reading in the news section but either a lot of its out dated or is kinda confusing.

So what is the current situation with all this ecig fuss that everyone's afraid of? I heard something about them making a big deal about the children. I understand keeping kids safe and all, but as far as i can remember back, we've always done the most we could to keep kids out of harm, but at a certain point, isn't a lot of that a parents responsibility? Why are they making such a big deal about this when i can turn on my tv, and every other show is about drugs partying and every other cus word/negative comments you can think of. If their so worried about the kids, then i think ecigs are the last place to be worried about. Its not about the fact that they can easily get their hands on it, the problem is, is the direction and lack of quality role models in this country. Miley Cyrus, tosh .0, i could go on but you get it. We shouldn't be worried about ecigs, we should be worried about the distractions and values of our kids and leave us EX-SMOKERS alone, think of it like this, is the world a better place before or after ecigs?

Just because some kids get their hands on them doesn't mean they should be banned, it means we should work on making the values of this country extend beyond looking "cool"

I think if the people our kids looked up to were scientists, architects, etc instead of booty shaking naked singers, rappers that rap about money cars and women, and if every commercial wasnt some fast food, video game or other form of consumer items then we wouldnt be here. This country has bread these kids to desire products especially electronic products. Not the ecig industry's fault.


Anyway so whats the latest news/deadline, i want to help if i can.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

You're catching on. The bright ones always do Always be cynical about that, "do it for the lil' kiddies" mantra.

Go to the FDA Regulations forum for the latest.

 

[Harlen]

The government is going to hunt us all down and charge us all with non payment of taxes .
Take the house and cars for back taxes and penalties. They will get what they think is there's lol

 

[Robino1]

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

That is a great place to start your education.

There are groups of "health" organizations that are afraid their funding will dry up without the illnesses that smoking brings to the table. Governments at the local, state and country level are afraid of losing the cash cow that the cig taxes bring in. They are using the "save the children" ploy to get the general public on their side, against ecigs.

CASAA is a volunteer group of people that are fighting for the consumer (us as the user of Ecigs) and you can support them by joining CASAA. They do not require any membership fee. Donate if you want, don't worry if you can't. We need people so that our voice gets heard. There is power behind larger membership numbers

 

[Tom Fuller]

I've done quite a bit of reading in the news section but either a lot of its out dated or is kinda confusing.

So what is the current situation with all this ecig fuss that everyone's afraid of? I heard something about them making a big deal about the children. I understand keeping kids safe and all, but as far as i can remember back, we've always done the most we could to keep kids out of harm, but at a certain point, isn't a lot of that a parents responsibility? Why are they making such a big deal about this when i can turn on my tv, and every other show is about drugs partying and every other cus word/negative comments you can think of. If their so worried about the kids, then i think ecigs are the last place to be worried about. Its not about the fact that they can easily get their hands on it, the problem is, is the direction and lack of quality role models in this country. Miley Cyrus, tosh .0, i could go on but you get it. We shouldn't be worried about ecigs, we should be worried about the distractions and values of our kids and leave us EX-SMOKERS alone, think of it like this, is the world a better place before or after ecigs?

Just because some kids get their hands on them doesn't mean they should be banned, it means we should work on making the values of this country extend beyond looking "cool"

I think if the people our kids looked up to were scientists, architects, etc instead of booty shaking naked singers, rappers that rap about money cars and women, and if every commercial wasnt some fast food, video game or other form of consumer items then we wouldnt be here. This country has bread these kids to desire products especially electronic products. Not the ecig industry's fault.


Anyway so whats the latest news/deadline, i want to help if i can.

Here is my opinion and why. Ecigs are here to stay. The day I walked into a gas station (major chain) and they had marlboro's version and camels version sitting on the shelf, I knew. Folks these days companies spend tons of money on R&D. If you think they would invest millions in marketing and packaging without already knowing the FDA outcome, your crazy. The fine details are still in the air but for the most part you can bet it will be taxed just like tobacco is taxed. The rate.... Who knows. You can bet on stores having to meet some minimum guidelines similar to tobacco sales. You can count on eventual regulation regarding manufacturing and sourcing of ingredients. You can expect to see required labeling to include phrases the FDA deems vital to the consumer. 500 million spent online in ejuice in 2012 suggests a big enough consumer base to concrete Ecigs in our future. I am just a not so humble electrical engineer. Take my opinions as you will.


Live Long and Vape!

 

[Andromendous]

Well i hope your right, im all for regulation, putting ingredients on the ejuice bottles, manufacturing regulations, if they tax em, well, thats better than being banned

 

[Robino1]

Here is my opinion and why. Ecigs are here to stay. The day I walked into a gas station (major chain) and they had marlboro's version and camels version sitting on the shelf, I knew. Folks these days companies spend tons of money on R&D. If you think they would invest millions in marketing and packaging without already knowing the FDA outcome, your crazy. The fine details are still in the air but for the most part you can bet it will be taxed just like tobacco is taxed. The rate.... Who knows. You can bet on stores having to meet some minimum guidelines similar to tobacco sales. You can count on eventual regulation regarding manufacturing and sourcing of ingredients. You can expect to see required labeling to include phrases the FDA deems vital to the consumer. 500 million spent online in ejuice in 2012 suggests a big enough consumer base to concrete Ecigs in our future. I am just a not so humble electrical engineer. Take my opinions as you will.


Live Long and Vape!

I agree that they won't be gone completely. What we are in danger of losing is our ability to customize our devices and liquids that we currently enjoy the freedom of having options for.

The ones that you speak of are owned by the big tobacco giants that couldn't give a rats behind about the type of devices that WORK to get people away from their cigs. Add in the fact that they have the funds to license their product and currently pay to have the places carry those products.

If the big tobacco guys ecig products fail, no biggie for them, people will go back to smoking. It's a win win for them.

 

[Robino1]

Well i hope your right, im all for regulation, putting ingredients on the ejuice bottles, manufacturing regulations, if they tax em, well, thats better than being banned

And that's what the government is hoping we will say. That allows us to think they are doing us a favor by not taking them out of our reach.

Just remember, they've done it before with cigs. First they said it's ok inside as long as you have a separate section. Then bars had to spend bucks to put in ventilation systems that would handle the smoke. Then they told us to go outside. Then they told us to only smoke so many feet away from the entrance. Now they are banning in national parks and public beaches.

They always start small and make us think they are doing us a favor.

To that I say

 

[Tom Fuller]

I agree that they won't be gone completely. What we are in danger of losing is our ability to customize our devices and liquids that we currently enjoy the freedom of having options for.

The ones that you speak of are owned by the big tobacco giants that couldn't give a rats behind about the type of devices that WORK to get people away from their cigs. Add in the fact that they have the funds to license their product and currently pay to have the places carry those products.

If the big tobacco guys ecig products fail, no biggie for them, people will go back to smoking. It's a win win for them.

Device regulation will make mechs hard to find but not go away. Folks will be forced to use a regulated "safer" ecigar. I personally don't think that will fly either. Too many have already been sold and in use. Kinda like trying to ban guns in Texas. You would need a truck just to pick up all of our block. Anyway USA made devices will likely be regulated. Foreign makers can dodge lawsuits, so mechs will vanish except the under ground vape show type seller. Flavor restrictions won't work and would be an enforcement nightmare. I can see it now "OFFICER! That bad man just exhaled and his breath smelled like Grape! Go get him!


Live Long and Vape!

 

[tj99959]

My fear is that deeming regulations will push vaping back into the stone ages with little opportunity for advancement or innovation.
In the name of science they will stifle meaningful research.

 

[Robino1]

Device regulation will make mechs hard to find but not go away. Folks will be forced to use a regulated "safer" ecigar. I personally don't think that will fly either. Too many have already been sold and in use. Kinda like trying to ban guns in Texas. You would need a truck just to pick up all of our block. Anyway USA made devices will likely be regulated. Foreign makers can dodge lawsuits, so mechs will vanish except the under ground vape show type seller. Flavor restrictions won't work and would be an enforcement nightmare. I can see it now "OFFICER! That bad man just exhaled and his breath smelled like Grape! Go get him!


Live Long and Vape!

There will be a black market, if the FDA goes against us. What I'm concerned about are the people that come after. The grandchildren and great grandchildren that may pick up smoking. What would be the incentive to buy ecigs if they cost as much as regular cigs? Not to mention the fact that I don't trust BT to not manipulate eliquid like they have tobacco.

If we do end up going underground, how do all those who are struggling to quit but can't quite get there, find out about quality devices and liquids?

It's not just about me, it's about everyone. Sure, I probably could figure out DIY. But, I've had the luck to find ecigs when they are available. The FDA could essentially shut down down online sales. If that happens, sooooo many vapers are screwed.

 

[chellemmm]

I don't think "they" will go after online vendors outside of the US. It is the little guys, the mom and pop vendors and B&Ms they will most likely target. Just my little opinion. After they wipe out the small vendors, THEN they will go after the off shore purveyors.

 

[Worzel]

I am down to no nicotine. On it for a couple of months. I make my own juice. If it comes to it, I will quit vaping before I start smoking again. I will not let them win!


Sent from my bird in a moist little package

 

[v4p3v4p3v4p3]

instead of booty shaking naked singers, rappers that rap about money cars and women

you lost me

 

[SingedVapor]

It is my believe that those of us who are actively browsing the forums will be fine. We can DIY and with a little luck make our own mods, and they cannot take the stuff we already own. So as far as the people who are already deeply ingrained in e cigarettes, whether they full out ban them or just tax them we will be fine, nt great mind you, but fine.

But unfortunately that's not who we are (and should be) worried about. It's the ones that haven't changed to e cigarettes yet, the ones who believe everything they read and are simply cattle. They will nt want to go the extra mile to make there own juice or make there own mod, and why should they when cigarettes would be so readily available. It is not us we should be fighting for, but the ones who haven't even switched yet. If the opportunity is stolen before it's even able to be took... Then that's disaster.

 

[Jaylah]

"OFFICER! That bad man just exhaled and his breath smelled like Grape! Go get him!

It's not a funny subject, but I admit, that made me laugh.

 

[Jaylah]

It is my believe that those of us who are actively browsing the forums will be fine. We can DIY and with a little luck make our own mods, and they cannot take the stuff we already own. So as far as the people who are already deeply ingrained in e cigarettes, whether they full out ban them or just tax them we will be fine, nt great mind you, but fine.

Except that I started vaping to quit smoking for two reasons.

One: Smoking was ruining my health.

Two: I could no longer afford two packs of cigarettes with the ever-rising tobacco taxes.

I'll be honest, if reason #2 had not gotten in my face, I probably still wouldn't be paying attention to reason #1. Yes, I'd figured out that smoking wasn't healthy, even before the government thought about putting warning labels on packages. But I was addicted, so it didn't matter.

If taxes on vaping supplies even come close to cigarette taxes, my addict-addled brain will say, "So why not just buy cigarettes?"

 

[Tom Fuller]

As to the online sales ban that has already been squashed. They changed the wording to say specifically no vending machines.


Live Long and Vape!

 

[Tom Fuller]

Online sales are fine. You will just have to pay whatever tax they come up with.


Live Long and Vape!

 

[truomega]

Even if they ban it where we cant buy mods/juice from retailers... There will be instructions on how to make your own mod. Parts are always gonna be easily accessible. Everything you need to build one is at your local hardware store. The juice can also be made at home with the proper liquids. The invention of these devices are here already and instructions are readily available online or in some instances... Word of mouth. Vaping isnt going anywhere anytime soon despite any officials that try to shut it down.