There is also 4mg, 11mg and 36mg. Many people vape 36mg which is where I started until I moved lower over time.
So can you still die if you use ecigs?
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There is also 4mg, 11mg and 36mg. Many people vape 36mg which is where I started until I moved lower over time.
And almonds contain cyanide.
You can die from drinking too much water and it's actually called water poisoning (also water intoxication) which basically implies water is poison/toxic.
I think the moral of the story here is to take all things in moderation and yes even vaping. I agree with not knowing the full effects over time though, it is a fairly new idea and it took people a long long time to realize that cigs were killing us prematurely. But like everyone knows for sure, you aren't getting all the extra crap you get with cigs vs vaping. I noticed a big difference in sleeping, breathing, energy, and tasting about a week without cigs so I know its been a beneficial change for me.
Well you can but i doubt it will be from Vaping. Doctors are actually recommending e cigs to their smoker patients. That ought to tell you something.
In a word, "yes".
It is 100% certain you will die. As Jim Morrison once said, and later proved, "No one here gets out alive".
Most of us who are now vaping smoked cigarettes. Some of us smoked packs of cigarettes, daily, for decades, before we started vaping. If, like me, you are in that group, considerable cardiopulmonary damage has already been done. The odds are pretty good, barring worse damage to your body from some other cause, that this will eventually cause or contribute to your demise. Vaping will not magically cure that damage.
It is widely believed that if we stop smoking cigarettes, our lives will be prolonged. Former smokers seem to live longer, healthier lives than they might, had they continued to smoke to the bitter end. This may even be proven but I have no desire to read or quote medical research, here.
My personal hope is that vaping does less cumulative damage to the system than smoking. I want to continue to feed my addiction to nicotine and continue to indulge my hand-to-mouth behavioral habits without many of the proven evil effects of inhaling tobacco smoke. I know that my smoker's cough has improved (but NOT been cured) over my 5 months of vaping. I feel as if I have "more wind" and better endurance.
OTOH, I'm also certain that I've chosen a replacement habit that has UNKNOWN long term health effects. There has been no meaningful research, the habit simply hasn't been around long enough. Inhaling vaporized PG/VG, nicotine and a variety of flavorings into the lungs on a daily basis is NEVER going to be proven healthy EXCEPT in comparison to tobacco smoke.
If health and longevity are your sole concerns:
Stop smoking and DON'T start vaping.
-OR-
Use vaping to get yourself off cigarettes and then STOP vaping.
If you don't smoke, why vape?
It is 100% certain you will die. As Jim Morrison once said, and later proved, "No one here gets out alive".
Most of us who are now vaping smoked cigarettes. Some of us smoked packs of cigarettes, daily, for decades, before we started vaping. If, like me, you are in that group, considerable cardiopulmonary damage has already been done. The odds are pretty good, barring worse damage to your body from some other cause, that this will eventually cause or contribute to your demise. Vaping will not magically cure that damage.
It is widely believed that if we stop smoking cigarettes, our lives will be prolonged. Former smokers seem to live longer, healthier lives than they might, had they continued to smoke to the bitter end. This may even be proven but I have no desire to read or quote medical research, here.
My personal hope is that vaping does less cumulative damage to the system than smoking. I want to continue to feed my addiction to nicotine and continue to indulge my hand-to-mouth behavioral habits without many of the proven evil effects of inhaling tobacco smoke. I know that my smoker's cough has improved (but NOT been cured) over my 5 months of vaping. I feel as if I have "more wind" and better endurance.
OTOH, I'm also certain that I've chosen a replacement habit that has UNKNOWN long term health effects. There has been no meaningful research, the habit simply hasn't been around long enough. Inhaling vaporized PG/VG, nicotine and a variety of flavorings into the lungs on a daily basis is NEVER going to be proven healthy EXCEPT in comparison to tobacco smoke.
If health and longevity are your sole concerns:
Stop smoking and DON'T start vaping.
-OR-
Use vaping to get yourself off cigarettes and then STOP vaping.
If you don't smoke, why vape?
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So can you still die if you use ecigs?
ecigs do not make us immortal, just happier and healthier
Welcome to ECF Paul!
We will all still die, but maybe a bit later than if we continued to smoke.
You can still die if you use e cigs, just not from e cigs. Unless of course you score yourself some of John Wayne's immortality liquid. $947942572524 a ml!
i always have jerks at work trying to tell me that its the same as smoking and that nicotine alone gives cancer, i basicly have to tell them they dont know what their talking about
Nicotine by and of itself will not give you cancer as far as I know.
Although the ANTZ would love for you to believe that bit of propaganda!
C.B.
Although the ANTZ would love for you to believe that bit of propaganda!
C.B.
getting my dark congested lungs cleaner is more than enough to me for staying away for cigs. Feel free to give a read to :
ScienceDirect - Toxicology : Non-clinical safety and pharmacokinetic evaluations of propylene glycol aerosol in Sprague-Dawley rats and Beagle dogs
ScienceDirect - Toxicology : Non-clinical safety and pharmacokinetic evaluations of propylene glycol aerosol in Sprague-Dawley rats and Beagle dogs
Depending on who you ask. You will not find anyone talking negative about vaping here if someone does they are considered "ANTZ" and using "scare tactics "
Bad and Health-Damaging Effects of Nicotine
Long-term Effects Of Nicotine | LIVESTRONG.COM
And even if it doesn't cause cancer
NICOTINE CAN FACILITATE THE PROGRESSION AND METASTASIS OF TUMORS INITIATED BY TOBACCO Our earlier results indicated that nicotine could induce invasion and epithelial-mesenchymal transition (EMT) in cultured lung, breast and pancreatic cancer cells. This study demonstrates for the first time that administration of nicotine either by i.p. injection or through over-the-counter dermal patches can promote tumor growth and metastasis in immunocompetent mice. These results suggest that while nicotine has only limited capacity to initiate tumor formation, it can facilitate the progression and metastasis of tumors pre-initiated by tobacco carcinogens. http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi ... ne.0007524
Nicotine induces cell proliferation, invasion and epithelial-mesenchymal transition in a variety of human cancer cell lines. Nicotine induces cell proliferation, invasion a... [Int J Cancer. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
Nicotine stimulates human lung cancer cell growth Nicotine stimulates human lung can... [Am J Respir Cell Mol Biol. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI
Role of alpha7-nicotinic acetylcholine receptor in human non-small cell lung cancer proliferation. Role of alpha7-nicotinic acetylcholine receptor ... [Cell Prolif. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
Nicotine stimulates pancreatic cancer xenografts by systemic increase in stress neurotransmitters and suppression of the inhibitory neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid. Nicotine stimulates pancreatic cancer xenogra... [Carcinogenesis. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
In the present study, Line1 mouse adenocarcinoma cells were implanted subcutaneously into syngenic BALB/c mice. Nicotine administration either by intraperitoneal (i.p.) injection or transdermal patches caused a remarkable increase in the size of implanted Line1 tumors. Once the tumors were surgically removed, nicotine treated mice had a markedly higher tumor recurrence (59.7%) as compared to the vehicle treated mice (19.5%). Nicotine also increased metastasis of dorsally implanted Line1 tumors to the lungs by 9 folds. Nicotine promotes tumor growth and metastasis in mo... [PLoS One. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
Bradley hates vaping and nicotine and doesn't believe that many of us use 0 nicotine.
People who don't use his cold turkey method he has no respect for and counters that vaping is a poor choice.
C.B.
People who don't use his cold turkey method he has no respect for and counters that vaping is a poor choice.
C.B.
There is plenty of discussion of the negatives of vaping around here. Being a combustion-free way to deliver nicotine is simply not one of the down-sides of vaping....
Both of those links refer to nicotine as causing "lung disease"--how does nicotine cause lung disease, Brad?? Do you think maybe they are confusing nicotine use with it's most common FORM, cigarette smoking--you know the thing that most of USED TO DO and probably would still be doing if not for vaping???
So you admit that nicotine doesn't cause cancer.
In other words, if you already have cancer, it is probable that nicotine won't make it better.
So can you still die if you use ecigs?
ecigs do not make us immortal, just happier and healthier
Welcome to ECF Paul!
Lol @ immortal, you could be onto a serious money making scheme there
Current smokers, ex-smokers, vapers, and never-smokers all have a 100% mortality rate.
Bradley hates vaping and nicotine and doesn't believe that many of us use 0 nicotine.
People who don't use his cold turkey method he has no respect for and counters that vaping is a poor choice.
C.B.
Yep, an anti with 9 posts, just hanging around to confuse people looking for a better method to successfully break away from smoking.
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