So I just pre-ordered a DNA30...

[fjgotgame24]

Ok so like it says, I just paid for one of these from shanmods and the one I got is called the Gadget. All the other DNA devices besides the Gadget were sold out and as I was looking at this one I noticed there 3 left in stock, so I clicked as fast as I could til my screen read "Better get that ... to work cuz that's RENT MONEY FOO! " Anyway after my adrenaline rush was over I began comparing it to the other devices she had up and like everything vape related these days, I get confused once I get to the battery section. So here is the situation...every device except the Gadget, the one I got, comes with "2 built-in C rated li-po batteries 2400mah total" The Gadget however, does not come with any batteries, but you can use two of your own as long as they are IMR or high drain. I'm assuming my Efest 25amp will get the job done. But what I don't understand is why do all the other ones come built in with li-po and the Gadget require IMR or high drain. Aren't these two totally different types of batteries? I'm assuming both are safe for whatever build you want as long as its within the DNAs capacity but is there any sort of an advantage to one or the other? I personally like that I can use 2x18650 @ 1600mah, because that's 3200mah which too me seems like magic. Also, the DNAs max output is 10 amps, but does using batteries like a Sony 30a last longer than normal like it would in a mechanical since your not really pushing the battery to its limits? I get the feeling the reason the battery set ups are different is because the other ones are rechargeable through USB and I don't think the Gadget is. And maybe the trade off is that you can put your own batteries in and get better mah. Or maybe I don't know jack...Thoughts ? I emailed her as well but I think shes busy.

 

[erikbal]

I would assume it's just to give different options for different people. Some prefer separate batteries while others like myself would rather have them built it. Sorry I can't answer your battery specific questions, but I'm sure someone will soon. Figured I'd give your thread a bump to the top anyways!

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[State O' Flux]

I'm assuming my Efest 25amp will get the job

Something Shan left out when quoting the Evolv DNA30 PDF...

"Battery:

A single cell rechargeable lithium chemistry battery is recommended.
Either a lithium ion or a lithium polymer type can be used. Any battery used should be rated for a MINIMUM of 12 amps continuous discharge current.
High C rated lithium polymer or IMR cylindrical cells are strongly preferred. Make sure that
all contacts and connections are capable of handling at least 12 amps."

But what I don't understand is why do all the other ones come built in with li-po and the Gadget require IMR or high drain.

I suspect it's a combination of internal case dimensions, what Shan currently wants to and is set up to build, what his particular market tends to prefer - and, as you've guessed and erikbal reflected on... some customers preferring USB charging/not dealing with changing batteries.

 

[Jazzman]

Lithium Polymer batteries (LiPo) can deliver much higher discharge rates than Lithium Ion like the AW IMR 1650's. This only really matters if you are running very high watts. Generally only people running rebuildables like RDA's and RTA's need to worry about this. If you're running typical tank systems with prebuilt coils (Kangers, Aspirers, carto tanks,etc.) you would burn the coil out before you would hit a wattage that would make a difference between battery types.

 

[fjgotgame24]

Lithium Polymer batteries (LiPo) can deliver much higher discharge rates than Lithium Ion like the AW IMR 1650's. This only really matters if you are running very high watts. Generally only people running rebuildables like RDA's and RTA's need to worry about this. If you're running typical tank systems with prebuilt coils (Kangers, Aspirers, carto tanks,etc.) you would burn the coil out before you would hit a wattage that would make a difference between battery types.

I want to run genesis atomizers like kayfun or dripping atomizers...so your saying that the lithium polymers should be better?

 

[danimal40]

I would rather have the gadget. Much easier to just buy new 18650 batteries then to replace a built in battery pack, just my thoughts
oh and I use 30a 18650 batteries in everything

 

[fjgotgame24]

I would rather have the gadget. Much easier to just buy new 18650 batteries then to replace a built in battery pack, just my thoughts
oh and I use 30a 18650 batteries in everything

Well first off, thanks for your responses I really appreciate the help I get around here. So much better then the guys at the shop who look annoyed when you ask them something, either cause they know and dont want to explain or because they dont know and thinking why are the customers are asking these questions. Then again its probably different when you run a business so who knows. But regarding your statement bout li-po being better at higher wattages, would a 30a imr also be sufficient for higher wattages? I know in mechs 30 amps pretty much covers the whole spectrum as far as ohms goes, but maybe in a DNA the amps dont play as big of a role? And also, this is the one that I'm really really curious about, will running batteries at less than its max amps give it more life. Since the DNA is capped at 10amps output and 12 input, having a 30amp will pretty much mean its never being fully utilized. So does that somehow extend the cycle of a battery off a fresh charge?

 

[danimal40]

well im no battery expert, but I use my efest 30a (sony) in both my mech and in my SVD. Theres no need for 30a in the SVD but I find that the 30a 1600mAh last much longer then the 10a penny I was using( last up to 2 days in SVD) so I just buy 30a batteries now. It cant hurt for the battery not to have to work to its max. At least that's how I feel.

 

[fjgotgame24]

well im no battery expert, but I use my efest 30a (sony) in both my mech and in my SVD. Theres no need for 30a in the SVD but I find that the 30a 1600mAh last much longer then the 10a penny I was using( last up to 2 days in SVD) so I just buy 30a batteries now. It cant hurt for the battery not to have to work to its max. At least that's how I feel.

Hopefully your right...Having 2 x 2100mah running minimal amps, pfftt, this is what I been looking for ever since I started vaping. Im tired of sub-ohming to get good flavor, th, vapor, and change batteries every hour or so to get that great hit. Only thing is I have to wait a good month or more before I can see for myself. CMONNN SHANNNN! WORK YOUR MAGIC lol

 

[Jazzman]

Since I can't see myself power vaping at 30 watts, I would rather have batteries that I can change and charge. But LiPo's can operate at sustained high amps much better than Lithium Ions. But LiPo's would require much greater effort, and depending on the mod, might require sending back to the manufacturer to change. Also, LiPo's are charged inside the device, so unless it has a pass through (and I don't think you will ever be able to vape a USB pass-through at more than a couple of amps) you will have to be careful about keeping it charged. So for me, I would like removeable Lithium Ions anyway.

 

[Bosco]

I would definitely rather have replaceable batteries. I am afraid the manufacturer will use a cheap battery to cut costs. I've noticed that the manufacturers of integrated battery dna devices are quick to tell you the mah rating . .but that's it. I'm afraid I'll end up with a battery that either dies quickly or doesn't quite perform at max power or something like that.

Plus I also much prefer being able to swap batteries instead of putting the whole pv on the charger .. not to mention having to send it in for a new battery is a major pain.

 

[fjgotgame24]

You guys nailed it on the head... This is exactly why I passed up on some of the other DNAs because once I saw that there was one that allows for 2 replaceable batteries, I didn't want one unless it had this option. Too me it's like a cellphone, yea u can charge them but if u have one that has huge battery life than you don't have to constantly worry about it. It's like having one of those battery packs but for your vw.