So, I started on a Smoke 51 duo on menthol and vanilla, and recently upgraded to the Echo. I've bought roughly 30 bottles of different mixtures of Vanilla liquids and menthol liquids and can not find anything that taste as good as the smoke51 prefilled cartomizers. I know there's an outlet that sells it for $20/10ml bottles, but I know some company has the same juice.
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look around for some american made ry4. And it wasnt money wasted my friend, just trial and error. we've all gone through it.
If you dont like it, you can always post this on the trade forum! Just make sure you post what your looking for! Or hell, even do the treasure chest or pay it forward?
I would defiantly try a Ry4 that might be what your looking for. MadVapes sells some China E liquids you might also find what your looking for there I believe there $10.99 for a 50ml bottle
It's hard getting past your first love, er juice.
My suggestion, learn to make your own, it's so worth it both in cost and enjoyment. There is more than enough experience on this forum to get you on the right track.
A note on Trial and Error and the "waste". Welcome to Vaping, over a year and I still waste money trying new things. I think it's part of the culture. However, it beats cigerettes and Cancer hands down. Good luck.
My suggestion, learn to make your own, it's so worth it both in cost and enjoyment. There is more than enough experience on this forum to get you on the right track.
A note on Trial and Error and the "waste". Welcome to Vaping, over a year and I still waste money trying new things. I think it's part of the culture. However, it beats cigerettes and Cancer hands down. Good luck.
I feel your pain. I have spent a lot of money i shouldn't have on juice, mods and DIY.....but......I find that certain juices that I didn't like at first seem to be pretty good when I try them again. Its wierd. I have switched favorites I don't know how many times but have yet to find that 'great all day vape' that lasts for more than a day.
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Wow sounds so sad! Enjoy the journey! All n all it's just a nother vape in the ...........
You really just have to experiment and try a variety of American juice makers. Menthol is one of those flavors that is all over the spectrum. Some have a little tobacco flavor mixed in, some do not. Others lean toward the minty side of things.
If you break down and decide to mix your own, you'll need concentrated flavoring. I've gone through a dozen menthol flavorings and the only one that does the trick is Menthol from FlavorArt. By itself it's OK, not great. But you can make a mixture that works well for adding to other flavors.
Menthol Base - get yourself the ingredients for mixing and start with about 20% of menthol. You'll need some nicotine base liquid, some pure PG/VG (no nicotine) and the flavoring. These three ingredients are all you need. Use an online juice calculator to derive the correct percentages for desired nicotine strength.
Once you have your Menthol Base mixed together you'll need to decide what end result you're looking for. Say you want to get in the ballpark of a standard menthol analog. If so, you'll need a tobacco flavor. Get one that says RY4 or Pall Mall, those tend to be pretty reliable. Then it's a matter of experimenting.
Try taking your menthol base and mixing it 50/50 with the RY4 (or similar tobacco juice). Smell it first to see if you think it's in the ballpark. If not, keep changing the ratio until it smells about right. Then start loading up cartos and tweaking your mixture until you find the happy spot. It's really not as hard as it sounds.
Now you can also take the Menthol Base and add it to other flavors too. Say you've got a Blueberry you're fond of. Try adding a little menthol base to it and see what happens. You won't need to add very much to a lighter flavor like Blueberry to have a big impact. Heavier flavors like tobacco require more menthol than lighter flavors for the menthol to show it's presence.
If you break down and decide to mix your own, you'll need concentrated flavoring. I've gone through a dozen menthol flavorings and the only one that does the trick is Menthol from FlavorArt. By itself it's OK, not great. But you can make a mixture that works well for adding to other flavors.
Menthol Base - get yourself the ingredients for mixing and start with about 20% of menthol. You'll need some nicotine base liquid, some pure PG/VG (no nicotine) and the flavoring. These three ingredients are all you need. Use an online juice calculator to derive the correct percentages for desired nicotine strength.
Once you have your Menthol Base mixed together you'll need to decide what end result you're looking for. Say you want to get in the ballpark of a standard menthol analog. If so, you'll need a tobacco flavor. Get one that says RY4 or Pall Mall, those tend to be pretty reliable. Then it's a matter of experimenting.
Try taking your menthol base and mixing it 50/50 with the RY4 (or similar tobacco juice). Smell it first to see if you think it's in the ballpark. If not, keep changing the ratio until it smells about right. Then start loading up cartos and tweaking your mixture until you find the happy spot. It's really not as hard as it sounds.
Now you can also take the Menthol Base and add it to other flavors too. Say you've got a Blueberry you're fond of. Try adding a little menthol base to it and see what happens. You won't need to add very much to a lighter flavor like Blueberry to have a big impact. Heavier flavors like tobacco require more menthol than lighter flavors for the menthol to show it's presence.
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