That was what I was thinking in the back of my head. vaping is the "drug" (I only use that term for the point of my comment) that is the least harmful in every aspect.
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That was what I was thinking in the back of my head. vaping is the "drug" (I only use that term for the point of my comment) that is the least harmful in every aspect.
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Thank you ALL for each opinion. I wasn't happy about it, the wife isn't happy about it, but he is an adult and he's not MY adult, so I was wondering about making it somewhat safer in terms of no nicotine. I guess he does smoke the occasional cigar now and then, though, which I didn't know. Since we will be making the juice, we'll handle the nicotine level, but if he notices a difference, he'll be informed it was made with 0 nicotine and he can use it or buy some himself. I already told my goober bf how I felt about it and he said he didn't push it on him, but I do know he tries to get smokers to try it so they'll consider switching to vaping.
Again, I appreciate all thoughts and opinions. Thank you
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Again, I appreciate all thoughts and opinions. Thank you
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Can I borrow your soap-box?
Are you suggesting that you started smoking because you'd never seen a cigarette, or knew anyone that used one, or smelled one...and walked into a gas station/smoke shop and said "Hey, what's this all about? Sell me a pack" and then got stuck?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that that's untrue. I would go so far as to suggest that would be untrue for everything you've ever done. People don't drink coffee because they saw Folgers on a shelf at their grocery store, went home and researched it to learn about what it was, and then went back and bought a bag and a coffee maker... They drink it because they know someone that does, or maybe a friend asked them to meet at a coffee shop...maybe their parents drink coffee and they got started early.
While I can appreciate your point of view, if that were how life actually was, we would still be living in caves with no knowledge of that dude over on the other side of the country that decided to figure out how fire worked.
Maybe we should look on the other side of the knife. The guy that didn't smoke but started vaping is someone that probably won't ever pick up a cigarette...and if he does, he knows the way out. What's so wrong with that?
-X
Edit: Didn't mean to hi-jack the post, sorry if I came off that way.
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I believe you already have, so permission would be superfluous.
The actual fact of my conversion had not to do with any oblique, psychological influence. It was something much simpler, and dumber than dumb: I was 17. A 16 year-old hot chick that lived across the street smoked. I accepted the Marlboro she pushed into my hand—the rest is history—but the drug of choice in this scenario was not nicotine, but testosterone.
Let's cut to the chase: there's a problem in your argument:
One hand: Are you suggesting that you started smoking because you'd never seen a cigarette, or knew anyone that used one, or smelled one...and walked into a gas station/smoke shop and said "Hey, what's this all about? Sell me a pack" and then got stuck?
I.e., that I was indirectly influenced?
Other hand: "They drink it [or smoke it] because they know someone that does, or maybe a friend asked them to meet at a coffee shop...maybe their parents drink coffee and they got started early [i.e., hooked].
I.e., that they were indirectly influenced?
Read my post a little more carefully. My problem was with direct, active recruitment—i.e., getting someone [other than yourself, and a non-smoker] hooked on vaping.
Well, then he is a smoker. So that changes everything. Hopefully he'll only vape occasionally.
Oh bah. It surely doesn't sound like the OPs boyfriend 'peer pressured' his brother into vaping. HAHA, I can't even imagine that. 'Try it, bro,'. 'No,' 'TRY IT! YOU'LL BE COOL IF YOU DID IT!,'. 'Oh, okay,'...*puffs* 'LIKE, OMG! I'M TOTALLY A VAPER NOW!,'. Pfft, he's a grown man. I'm sorry but I'm SICK of people saying, 'Oh, that's just what the vaping community needs!,'. We're gonna do our thing no matter what the perception is and life is too short to worry about what the busybodies of the world think about me safely pursuing a habit I enjoy and possibly saving my life.
It's always good to observe some form of niceities.
Mine was quite similar, in point of fact. While it may have been the pursuit of said hot chick that lead us here, that was sort of my point. Picking up a new habit / anything is always because of outside influence.
I was pointing out the absense of influence. While we're all surrounded by advertising in everything we do, so we subconciously 'have heard' about something or other, it does impact the choices we make. "unmolested volition"
This was mostly attempting to suggest that no one would smoke if no one knew what cigarettes were, or very few, anyhow. Something like what e-cigs went through when they started. Their use was by small clique like groups, since those were the people that knew what was going on. The rest of the world didn't have a clue that they existed, ergo, nobody picked them up, nobody used them.
That was my attempt at defining direct influence, which went poorly as I re-read it. The things are around and readily available, they try it to fit in and get hooked. Maybe someone offers or something of the sort.
While I'll agree that trying to force someone to start and using peer pressure is probably a bad idea, it's still up to them if they want to try it or not. I really don't see anyone bullying someone into starting on a PV. It'd be like trying to get people hooked on your new lollipop addiction.
Also, I believe that it was "by his own, unmolested volition" that perhaps made me take your post a little off.
-X
Edit: I lost my train of thought...had to go adjust a couple points so that they sounded less like word-vomit.
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Therein is the problem with the internet, email and all two-dimensional forms of communication. The devil is not in the details, but the lack of them (intonation, body language, etc.)
Yeah, unmolested could be taken one way or another. You took it as pristine cleanliness, unaffected by the world in its entirety. I meant it as the absence of someone so into vaping that he (or she) crams it down non-smoking throats.
Agreed. Why can't more conversations go like this? Rare is the day that there is a misunderstanding and/or difference of view, and there's actually a calm conversation about it, instead of cussing and stomping feet.
Cheers mate,
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