So, tobacco good - e-cig bad?

[mooreted]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/h...lp-smokers-quit.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

So they don't mind doing research on burning tobacco leaves with 4000 cancer-causing, toxic chemicals but they want to ban or regulate e-cigarettes.

My brain hurts.

 

[rustybikes]

Oh wow!! 4000+ chems without nicotine? That's awesome. "Game changer" indeed! /scarcasm..

The high-nic cigs are an interesting notion though. Could it be that they "stole" the whole "up your nic-level" idea from us? Nah.. they hate us..

 

[Mindfield]

Jebus, what a load of bunk. All they did was genetically alter tobacco leaves to reduce nicotine content, which is far from being the worst things in cigarettes? Sounds like BT has some skin in that game to me.

 

[Traver]

Wouldn't taking out the nicotine make tobacco less addictive?

 

[carpedebass]

...and as the sheep, they follow their leader to slaughter.

 

[VetSGT]

Man I really really wish they would spend that money on studying pv's. To bad they make so much money off analogs that they will continue to throw money at it. All in the name of public health....as if the government really gave a damn...

 

[Syn007]

Hmm.. using altered analogs to combat analogs. New stuff. But still.. all the bonfire.

 

[Mindfield]

Wouldn't taking out the nicotine make tobacco less addictive?

For the most part, yes, but in most cigarettes, nicotine isn't the only addictive substance in there. Most cigarettes contain monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs), which are antidepressants. They can have addictive properties on their own, but when co-administered with nicotine they create an even stronger chemical dependency than nicotine alone.

But the problem here isn't so much the addiction, it's the fact that the thing they're trying to develop to combat the addiction is almost as bad as the thing people are addicted to in the first place. Sure, it's supposed to help you get off of cigarettes and thus end the inhalation of all those nasty chemicals, but functionally they're trying to do the exact same thing as what an E-cig with 0-nic juice would do, only with thousands more bad chemicals in them. It's high absurdity.

 

[rolygate]

This is like some kind of parallel universe where everything is opposite to the truth.

The nicotine isn't the problem, the smoke is. The safest cigarette is the one with the highest nicotine content as you can smoke less. The most dangerous cigarette is the one with the least nicotine, as you have to smoke more.

It seems to me that the more ridiculous their claims are, the more funding they get for research. I think I need to come up with a research project to cultivate potatoes on Mars - there should be billions of dollars in it...

 

[carpedebass]

This is like some kind of parallel universe where everything is opposite to the truth.

Yep! That's the U.S. Government's creed!

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Typical of the ANTZ and BP, how can we make people think we are doing something without really going after the basic problem of finding a way to get people to stop burning stuff and still maintain the cash flow that we've come to depend on. E-cigarettes are a serious threat to them and in no way do they want to prove that they are a safer alternative.

 

[Spazmelda]

Elaine posted about this over on the media board and a couple of us made a few comments. Someone posted a link about the reduced nicotine cigarettes that sort of clarifies the purpose a little (although the comments and quotes in the NYT article are still fairly nonsensical). Check it out here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...search-subjects-should-inhale-real-smoke.html

 

[hairball]

Wouldn't taking out the nicotine make tobacco less addictive?

No, our bodies get addicted to a lot of the other chemicals also besides the nic. Nic is only part of it.

 

[Traver]

For the most part, yes, but in most cigarettes, nicotine isn't the only addictive substance in there. Most cigarettes contain monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs), which are antidepressants. They can have addictive properties on their own, but when co-administered with nicotine they create an even stronger chemical dependency than nicotine alone.

But the problem here isn't so much the addiction, it's the fact that the thing they're trying to develop to combat the addiction is almost as bad as the thing people are addicted to in the first place. Sure, it's supposed to help you get off of cigarettes and thus end the inhalation of all those nasty chemicals, but functionally they're trying to do the exact same thing as what an E-cig with 0-nic juice would do, only with thousands more bad chemicals in them. It's high absurdity.

I agree with all of the above but would still like to know how much of a role nicotine plays in smoking tobacco addiction.

Royalgate also has a good point.

 

[Allan.GH]

Actually, seeing how many people go to zero nic as quickly as they do, I'm beginning to form the opinion that nicotine isn't as addictive as previously claimed.

 

[Spazmelda]

Actually, seeing how many people go to zero nic as quickly as they do, I'm beginning to form the opinion that nicotine isn't as addictive as previously claimed.

I wonder about this too. I wonder... if their studies show this, will they actually admit it?

I also posted this on the other thread, but I wonder if their lower nic cigarettes contain the myriad of other chemicals that BT has been manipulating for maximum addictive qualities.

 

[Mindfield]

Actually, seeing how many people go to zero nic as quickly as they do, I'm beginning to form the opinion that nicotine isn't as addictive as previously claimed.

Tobacco smoke contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman, norharman, anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. These compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers. MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOI's and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking. The addition of five minor tobacco alkaloids increases nicotine-induced hyperactivity, sensitization and intravenous self-administration in rats : Cambridge Journals Online - Abstract Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors Allow Locomotor and Rewarding Responses to Nicotine.

From Wiki, with citations. (Bolding mine)

 

[frosting]

This quote from the article really grinds my gears "A new crop of electronic cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products seem aimed more at getting smokers through smoke-free times rather than quitting."

I hate propaganda. That whole 118 billion dollar study they have going on.... What a gigantic waste of money. Sadly Typical.

 

[adeline]

Yeah my friend posted that article on Facebook today. If one of those named scientists wasn't her dad I would have given her my two-cents on the topic..

Smoking cigarettes is still SMOKING CIGARETTES.

I wonder if it will ever come across that it's not the nicotine that kills. It's the SMOKE!

"Let me try quitting smoking, by smoking this other cigarette over here."

*facepalm* Nicotine addiction is real. But so is addiction to the other 4,000 chemicals you inhale 20+ times daily.

 

[OJsakila]

ny times liberal jibberish. I cannot believe what I just read. Holy crap my brain hurts. The dumbing down of America has really hit an all-time low....Thank God I'm not one of those sheep buying into such nonsense...







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