Soapy Taste

[toddles]

Hello
I wonder if anyone can help or at least knows what I'm talking about.
I'm a relatively new vaper and up until yesterday have been really enjoying it. But since then I have been trying to fight the urge to buy a packet of cigarettes.
The problem is with my ejuice. I got it from TW and it is great but because vaping was so new I found I wasn't putting the cig down much so I added a few menthol crystals and a bit of VG. This made the vaping experince even better and evertything was great.
But then the night before yessterday I also added a 5ml bottle of a minty flavour from another vendor and a bit more VG to the bottle. Since then it all tasted really really soapy and yuk. The only other juice I have is from this new vendor and again even though the first day they were fine now its all soapy and yuk.
I ordered some more supplies and really hope they get here by wed because I dont want to go back to smoking.
Ive tried to wash out the atties and tried new cartos incase it was the atties (the cartos taste really chemically too. Do these need priming?) but I think it is the juice.
Or at least I hope it was because if not its my taste buds and I cant order more of those.
Has anyone eles had soapy juice?
Is this just my taste buds and will it get better?

 

[guitardedmark]

There is a lot of juice out there that tastes like crap! The bad stuff has a very distinct soapy, feet like chemical flavor that IMO is unvapable. Some juices I would suggest are

caramel cream from Vaperite
strawberry twist from FreedomSmokeUSA and
butterscotch caramel cheesecake from www.mstsbakery.com

None of those have any chemical taste whatsoever and they are my top 3 favorites

 

[phorbin]

i don't want to trash juice vendors but i'm curious who you ordered from. Each juice maker has his/her own unique twist so it might just be your tastebuds don't agree with that vendor. Could also be that the minty flavor you added the 2nd time was the problem. Try the mint you added the 2nd time by itself. If on its own it has a soapy flavor that might be the problem there. Cartos usually do not need primed but attys do. another factor: if you use the same juice in two different cartos it will taste different. So its also possible (but IMO less likely) that the carto is the problem.

One other factor is the "flavor wall". A lot of vapers have reported that their tastebuds change radically, which can have an impact on how you perceive the taste of a juice. One suggestion I got when it happened to me was to make a RADICAL change in flavors for a little while (couple hours, maybe even a full day if needed) and then switch back to your main vapes. Apparently the radical change will help to "reboot" your tastebuds

 

[REDNEVEDNAV]

dunno who 'TW' is you listed there...but I have been vaping for 18months...off of a 2pk/day analog habit for 23yrs...when I started out, I got some absolutely horrible juice....I ordered 1-2 flavors from about 6 different vendors and all had that soapy taste...more like a chemical taste too...luckily, out of the dozen or so testers I ordered, I managed to find 1-2 that were good. The next time I ordered those 2 that were good from the same vendor and the new shipment was gross/soapy too....there are 4-5 vendors you will always see listed in these forums with grand reviews....don't give up and dig around and keep at it! Always know your supply chain....in that, don't leave yourself stranded without any juice....Personally, I did this a few times and almost went back to analogs...thankfully I didn't. I also bought in bulk at first...then realized that too much is just that...it's too much and I'm afraid there may be a shelf life on most of this stuff (certainly a hotly debatable subject in these parts!)...I wasn't sure and nobody could give an answer that satisfied me so I went with planB....I always keep a spare and smoke the spare when the new one comes in...making the 'new one' the spare...that way every 4-5 weeks or so when I forget to order some juice (which I ALWAYS do) or forget about a postal holiday I'm not stranded over a weekend without any juice.

Whatever works for whomever.....what ever you do....DON'T GIVE UP. If you're not happy....get another device, change your atty...get a new juice...try a new vendor...You WILL find a combo of juice/pv that suits you specifically and then you're gold~!

 

[Godzilla]

I find that juice that some of the juice that is most raved about has a soapy or perfumy taste. I am not sure if it is my taste buds (probably is) or if people just like licking a bar of soap.

Here are some vendors I find zero soapy taste. Now finding a flavor from these vendors that will please you is another story, but I have found plenty from them I love.

Vapor Bomb
Backwood Brew
Kick Bass Vapor
Tasty Vapor

So far my all time favorite is Backwoods brew Cola, Caramel Cappucino and Kick Bass Vapor Caramel Capp and their OMG juice

 

[guitardedmark]

From my experience backwoods brew doesn't have a soapy taste or really any taste for that matter... Vapor bomb definitely has some soapy tastes. It's primarily their desert flavors. Their fruits and "other" flavors are excellent though. Tasty vapor doesn't ever taste soapy but sometimes their mixing is less the consistent and they use a lot of additives like alcohol (151 and vodka), Ethyl Maltol, and a sweetner which is their own mix which I don't trust. I'm very excited to try kick bass vapor though and Vaperite.com is EXTREMELY under-rated

 

[toddles]

Thanks for the replies :0)
TW is Toatlly Wicked.
I dont want to mention the seller because if it is just my tate buds going crazy then it will be unfair. Honestly this seller comes highly recomended on another site so it could just be me.
Seems like everything has been got by this soapy yuk. I dont have any other juice except for this vendors stuff and the bottle I added too so I cant do a test for sure.
Going to have a search for the flavour wall and have a read up on that.

 

[guitardedmark]

I must say, I think your doing a great disservice to the vaping community by not naming the vendor. It's our responsibility to give feedback on the vendors because there isn't anyone else doing it and there sadly is little or none quality control with these vendors and that is costing a lot of people a lot of money.

I wish more people were honest when they got a "soapy" flavor so I didn't have to spend #300 buying liquid soap thinking it was tasty e-juice. Chances are its NOT your tastebuds. That soapy chemical feet taste is not subjective. Granted some people cant taste it but some people cant taste anything and it really doesn't matter with them because they like anything they vape. If it tastes like soap to you, chances are it truly tastes like soap.

There are flavors that I think are very well done that I don't like, but they taste like what they should taste like and not like radioactive waste. You are not bashing a vendor because you disclose a particular juice you've bought and dont like. Your being honest. Every vendor has juice that is great and juice that is not so great. Vaporbomb's cream cheese is one of the worst e-juices I have ever tasted. I would be shocked if ANYONE likes that juice. It tastes like rotton milk and is the only juice that has made me sick. At the same time they have some wonderfully accurate fruits and a great eggnog. I particularly love their mountain mist. You can almost feel like carbonation as you inhale the vapor! Also, Vaporbomb's customer service is second to none.

 

[Traver]

I have gotten a soapy taste when I put too much cherry flavor in a juice I mixed. It went away when I diluted the juice with the pg/vg base that I use to mix juices. It could be that you are just more sensitive to it than most people. I think you just have to try other vendors other flavors or even start making you own.

 

[toddles]

Well I really am not trying to do a diservice to the vaping community but rather remain respectful. If when my new stuff arrives and and am able to confirm that it is the juice then I will let him know so he can fix the problem. But like I said there is a ton of really good reviews for his stuff so rather than go off the deep end and trash someones buisness based on a hunch I would rather know for certain.

 

[toddles]

Thanks, I think that might be the way to go.

 

[guitardedmark]

Well I really am not trying to do a diservice to the vaping community but rather remain respectful. If when my new stuff arrives and and am able to confirm that it is the juice then I will let him know so he can fix the problem. But like I said there is a ton of really good reviews for his stuff so rather than go off the deep end and trash someones buisness based on a hunch I would rather know for certain.

When a judge in the olympics gives somone a 5.5 because they sucked, is that disrespectful? We are the only judges there are in this business...

I think it's pretty selfish to "protect" yourself from a vendor that wouldn't be able to hurt you anyways because your afraid. This isn't about decency... this is about fear. If a vendor is selling crap, they shouldn't be in business. There are too many good honest vendors who make quality products. If enough people were honest about the "soapy" juice, than more people would be informed and less people would have the experience that you just had. Everyone is too afraid to say when they don't like a juice. It's the "grim green effect". That "i like this i mean really like this" crap that he says ON EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT HE REVIEWS. I hope that we can start being a little more honest because dishonest and fearful "reviewers" have done nothing but waste money for a lot of vapors and potentially caused a lot of harm to people who write off e-cigs because of a "soapy" flavor they tried from a "great vendor" and didn't know any better.

This forum has 7000+ active members. There are about 20,000-30,000 people that try vaping for the first time every week. The more we support pis poor e-juice vendors, the more we dilute quality juice vendors with crap that a noob will vape and do the "that taste horrible... I'm going back to analogs" thing. I've known a few myself. With 20,000 to 30,000 people trying e-cigs every week, the impact of bad juice vendors being in business could make a huge difference in the health of this country...

This subject makes me angrier than any other regarding e-cigs (including the FDA). I've wasted hundreds of dollars buying pis poor juice because people are afraid to say it sucked. I don't want to DIY because I don't have the time. Lets look at the big picture people...

 

[Traver]

When a judge in the olympics gives somone a 5.5 because they sucked, is that disrespectful? We are the only judges there are in this business...

I think it's pretty selfish to "protect" yourself from a vendor that wouldn't be able to hurt you anyways because your afraid. This isn't about decency... this is about fear. If a vendor is selling crap, they shouldn't be in business. There are too many good honest vendors who make quality products. If enough people were honest about the "soapy" juice, than more people would be informed and less people would have the experience that you just had. Everyone is too afraid to say when they don't like a juice. It's the "grim green effect". That "i like this i mean really like this" crap that he says ON EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT HE REVIEWS. I hope that we can start being a little more honest because dishonest and fearful "reviewers" have done nothing but waste money for a lot of vapors and potentially caused a lot of harm to people who write off e-cigs because of a "soapy" flavor they tried from a "great vendor" and didn't know any better.

This forum has 7000+ active members. There are about 20,000-30,000 people that try vaping for the first time every week. The more we support pis poor e-juice vendors, the more we dilute quality juice vendors with crap that a noob will vape and do the "that taste horrible... I'm going back to analogs" thing. I've known a few myself. With 20,000 to 30,000 people trying e-cigs every week, the impact of bad juice vendors being in business could make a huge difference in the health of this country...

This subject makes me angrier than any other regarding e-cigs (including the FDA). I've wasted hundreds of dollars buying pis poor juice because people are afraid to say it sucked. I don't want to DIY because I don't have the time. Lets look at the big picture people...

Why would anyone be afraid of criticizing a vendor? Sounds like he is trying to be fair to me. After all people are sensitive to different things and taste is highly subjective.

 

[toddles]

Oh wow. I am not being selfish and I am not afraid. Blimey.
Protect myself? What???
Really Im new to this site but if its a pitch forks out place then its not for me.
Ive done a bit of searching and saopy tasting taste buds seem a bit of a recurring problem for some. Juice good one day, the next soapy.
Honestly I agree that bad vendors should be kept out. But also I think I should ensure that it is a problem with the juice rather than me before I go posting that his stuff is crap and potential harming his buisness because you cant undo that rubbish once its out there.

 

[YePsTeR]

Well I really am not trying to do a diservice to the vaping community but rather remain respectful. If when my new stuff arrives and and am able to confirm that it is the juice then I will let him know so he can fix the problem. But like I said there is a ton of really good reviews for his stuff so rather than go off the deep end and trash someones buisness based on a hunch I would rather know for certain.

Very smart.....then let us know who makes the juice if it is still soapy

 

[Godzilla]

Hey Guitar, lets help everyone out. I will tell you what brand of juice tastes like soap or perfume, or belly buttons if you do first

 

[guitardedmark]

Well I already named a few. I don't buy the whole "I won't tell people what I really think because I have respect for the vendor". If something tastes like soap it tastes like soap. With the exception of steeping, I've never heard of anyone saying that they had a juice that tasted great than the next day it tasted like soap. If it was they probably let it cook in a hot car or something.

I understand that you don't want to call something bad if your not sure its bad but to say it's out of respect for the vendor is ridiculous. Why don't you just call it was it is and say where you got the juice and what it is and say this tastes funky right now. I have mad respect for the vendors and I love most of them. What I don't love if crappy vendors gaining market share over some really good vendors because people are afraid to say they don't like a juice.

Maybe I was a little aggressive Toddles. I'm sorry for directing my frustration to you. This is a sore subject for many of us. I've been getting non-stop pms for about 3 weeks now from people thanking me for posting a negative review of backwoods brew (fanboy favorite).

Anyone ever notice that 95% of reviews you see are positive ones? Is it just coincidence that the only people who write reviews get good juice? I think it's because people are afraid to say when they get a bad juice and IMO that's very selfish. For the life of me I can't understand how people legitimately believe Grim Greens reviews or 90% of the other video reviewers out there. If they say EVERYTHING is good than how can you differentiate what is good and what is bad?

 

[guitardedmark]

Why would anyone be afraid of criticizing a vendor? Sounds like he is trying to be fair to me. After all people are sensitive to different things and taste is highly subjective.

1. because they are afraid of getting flamed by the "fanboys"
2. because they have an irrational fear that they will go on a "vendor blacklist" (I've had a number of people PM admitting to this)
3. because they feel like they are not "respecting" the vendor
4. because they feel like they are hurting the vaping community and they think "the more vendors the better"
5. because they haven't tried enough juices to know whats good so they accept that it tastes like poo
6. because they hear so many good things about the juice they lose their reference to what is "good" and believe the hype
7. because they have been smoking for 30 years and actually think the juice tastes good because their taste buds are fried

 

[AlmightyGod]

Sore spot indeed, G!!!

Because I'm a fan of BWB that negates my opinion of their product?
You made some "fan" statements about what you like & dislike.

I don't care for the overhyped Wyatt Earp. Tastes like doody. Not that I've tasted doody. But I'm positive it tastes like WE. Taste is subjective. That's why I don't post a negative on every thread that has claims of it being great. The vendor doesn't need trashed because "I" don't like it.

Do you really think people live in fear of juice vendors? Can they really come after me? If so, FSUSA has a hit squad out on me now.

 

[Traver]

1. because they are afraid of getting flamed by the "fanboys"
2. because they have an irrational fear that they will go on a "vendor blacklist" (I've had a number of people PM admitting to this)
3. because they feel like they are not "respecting" the vendor
4. because they feel like they are hurting the vaping community and they think "the more vendors the better"
5. because they haven't tried enough juices to know whats good so they accept that it tastes like poo
6. because they hear so many good things about the juice they lose their reference to what is "good" and believe the hype
7. because they have been smoking for 30 years and actually think the juice tastes good because their taste buds are fried

I can't really disagree with any of the above. On the other hand I see lots of posts about bad equipment especially cartos and people don't hesitate to name the vendor. The difference is that taste is so subjective and changes from hour to hour and day to day. One day you can have cold and everything tastes like crap. Sometimes I vape and can't taste anything at all for no apparent reason. Then there the fact that something that tastes like crap to me is vapors heaven to someone else. To me some juices with what to me is too much flavor taste soapy. I get that from berry juices in particular. So I don't have much confidence in saying that a juice tastes like crap. I can only say it doesn't taste good to me.

Now when I put a carto in what I know is a good battery and it produces no vapor I can definitely say the this carto is a piece of crap. Even then I would give the vendor a chance to make good on it. In fact I would give him several chances before complaining about him on this forum.