Some comparisons and questions

[bp400]

OK so I'm on my second ecig: KR808D-1 and I'm starting to notice clogging cartos, battetry life, etc. I'm realizing I will need an upgrade. I have been reading the Echo thread and I have a few questions for deciding on a new device. I know the answers to most of these questions are somewhere, but help is appreciated.

What is the need for a VV device? Is it different cartos, different juices, fill levels, battery usage or all of the above? I am strongly considering the Provari, but don't know if I really need all the bells and whistles.

I am also considering the Echo, but of the 3 suppliers mentioned: 1 is out of stock, 1 doesn't ship to my area, and 1 only carries the 1300 version or the Echo-e version. I don't think I will need that much battery yet and I prefer the shorter size. Is the only difference between Echo and Echo-e the automatic vs. manual battery? Cuz I was about to get the Echo-e but people seem pretty happy with the automatic batteries. If I dont have to worry about voltage due to juice or fill level I will likely go with the Echo. However all the juice I currently have is 100% vg, and I noted people having trouble with that. I could get a syringe and prime it with a little PG like one of the posters suggested but again I'm wondering about voltage and any additional maintenance that will be required.

My last option, which I am avoiding because I would like to skip this step if I will inevitably upgrade, is the eGo. Are meters and alot of maintenance required for this device. Or is the meter thing mostly for mods? I dunno, remember i'm a noob. If this device uses cartridges, how often can you use them? For someone that is currently using almost only VG juice, is this device a reasonable option? And what is the difference between eGo and eGo-t? Anyone who could read all this...thx in advance.

 

[fsroq]

A VV mod will open a new world for you. You could get some dual coil cartos, and these you can vape at any volt. 3,4,5V.
If you want a strong taste, and not to warm vape use it between 3.3 and 4.0 V. If you want it warmer with a great TH, and tonns of vapor, but still good taste 4-4.5 V. If you want a nuke, 5 or 6 Volts. So, with the same carto you can vape completely diferent, depending on your juice, mood or other circumstances. Its vaper heaven, VV + dual coil

 

[Sniffle]

when you get into the world of mods, do your homework, learn about batteries voltage and ohms. it makes understanding what fsroq jsut said more understandable.

the one good thing about the provari is that your sweetspot on voltage/resistance(ohms) for one price basically(as far as the mod is concerned) without getting a whole bunch of mods, the downside is that depending on the mod it will take either 14500's, cr2's, 18650's...

you're entering into another world... prepare for information overload

a good basic beginning idea of what's going on though can be found here(2 parts)
YouTube - ‪DoctorVapor's Channel‬‏
YouTube - ‪DoctorVapor's Channel‬‏

 

[Boodle]

If you're thinking the new bigger batt e-Go is too much battery you may be overwhelmed by a Provari. Stepping into the mod world is a lot of fun though bet ya can't buy just one. If you can please teach me!

 

[wv2win]

A VV mod will open a new world for you. You could get some dual coil cartos, and these you can vape at any volt. 3,4,5V.
If you want a strong taste, and not to warm vape use it between 3.3 and 4.0 V. If you want it warmer with a great TH, and tonns of vapor, but still good taste 4-4.5 V. If you want a nuke, 5 or 6 Volts. So, with the same carto you can vape completely diferent, depending on your juice, mood or other circumstances. Its vaper heaven, VV + dual coil

I agree with this post. I will add, however, that if you are going to upgrade, I strongly suggest getting a variable volt PV with "regulated boost circuitry". Even with a better battery PV, after a half hour of vaping, the battery is not capable of delivering the same level of power as when it came off the charger, thus, inconsistency begins. With regulated boost circuitry, the power output is maintained at the same level until the batteries die. That is why a VV PV such as the Darwin delivers such good consistency over the life of the battery charge (21+ hours - heavy vaping). Consistency, flexibility, throat hit and battery life are far superior to most PV's.

 

[bp400]

I've just about decided on the eGo-t type B for now. However, one of the sites litecigusa, says not to use VG juice because it doesn't wick well with the tanks. I only have VG juice right now and will likely be using 50/50 or 70/30 ratio in the future. Can anyone comment on this? Does it not make sense to get this if I'm using VG.

 

[fsroq]

Yes, you could thinner the VG adding some distilled water, or vodka

 

[bp400]

And u think then it will work ok in ego-t?

 

[Nomoreash]

I've just about decided on the eGo-t type B for now. However, one of the sites litecigusa, says not to use VG juice because it doesn't wick well with the tanks. I only have VG juice right now and will likely be using 50/50 or 70/30 ratio in the future. Can anyone comment on this? Does it not make sense to get this if I'm using VG.

Many say higher VG doesn't work as well with tanks because of the thickness it doesn't wick as good. Can you use it with tanks...yes but it's not recommended due to the consistency, personally I wouldn't advise it.

I'd also second what others have stated above. If you're thinking about going VV then that's what I'd do. It just makes things so much easier not having to match ohm rating to a fixed voltage and most juices will have a sweet spot at different voltages which will allow you to dial that in no matter what your using. You can also use the tank system with them with an adapter if that's what your going for. If the Provari has to many bells and whistles for you then the Buzz Pro is out soon followed by the Infinity pro. They are both currently out in the non pro versions but if you're going for one of those I'd wait for the Pro which will have a more efficient regulator for extended battery life and also incorporate a wheel adjustment on the Buzz. There are others as well especially if you want to go with a box where you could get vv with a feeding system.

 

[fsroq]

Many say higher VG doesn't work as well with tanks because of the thickness it doesn't wick as good. Can you use it with tanks...yes but it's not recommended due to the consistency, personally I wouldn't advise it.

I'd also second what others have stated above. If you're thinking about going VV then that's what I'd do. It just makes things so much easier not having to match ohm rating to a fixed voltage and most juices will have a sweet spot at different voltages which will allow you to dial that in no matter what your using. You can also use the tank system with them with an adapter if that's what your going for. If the Provari has to many bells and whistles for you then the Buzz Pro is out soon followed by the Infinity pro. They are both currently out in the non pro versions but if you're going for one of those I'd wait for the Pro which will have a more efficient regulator for extended battery life and also incorporate a wheel adjustment on the Buzz. There are others as well especially if you want to go with a box where you could get vv with a feeding system.

I agree with this post. But then why you want the tank? I don´t remember very well the kr 808, but believe they where having a good rich taste, a tank will not provide you. Have you tried a tank?

 

[fsroq]

And u think then it will work ok in ego-t?

Yes, thinning it with water will solve the problem of the viscosity

 

[wv2win]

Yes, you could thinner the VG adding some distilled water, or vodka

But you will also be diluting the flavor as well as the strength.

 

[bp400]

Thx for all the info, i'll wait or go with Provari

 

[bp400]

I wanted the tank cuz refilling is a pain, i'm having inconsistencies with vapor, still figuring out how to keep them wet enuf. Above all else I don't wanna do maintenance on cartos, wicks, meters or anything else. I don't know if you were talking to me or the poster in quotes but I haven't tried a tank

 

[fsroq]

Thx for all the info, i'll wait or go with Provari

Dont want to drive you mad, but then the provari as also the darwin cant deliver the power lets say above 4.2/4.6 volts to run the newer upcoming stuff as dual coil cartos, from wich we will see more in the future. I dont know, but maybee the earlier mentioned Buzz pro, or infinity can. You should investigate this before paying 200+ bucks for a mod.

If you dont know what you like, get at madvapes for 35$ the vv mod box, not very beautifull, but working perfectly with ANYTHING. IMHO.

 

[bp400]

Not driving me mad, it was rushing to a purchase that killed me the first time, thx

 

[fsroq]

I wanted the tank cuz refilling is a pain, i'm having inconsistencies with vapor, still figuring out how to keep them wet enuf. Above all else I don't wanna do maintenance on cartos, wicks, meters or anything else. I don't know if you were talking to me or the poster in quotes but I haven't tried a tank

You can get now dual coil cartos with 2.5 ml. at 1.5 ohm, and in production are allready 3,5 ml dualies that will work from 3 V all the way to 6 volt at a basic mod as the madvapes box. So you probably have to fill only one or if chaine smoking 2 per day.

 

[bp400]

Any thoughts on the silver bullet

 

[wv2win]

Any thoughts on the silver bullet

I think it's only 3.7 or 6 volt which is outside the preferred vaping area of 4.5 - 5.

 

[Nomoreash]

I agree with this post. But then why you want the tank? I don´t remember very well the kr 808, but believe they where having a good rich taste, a tank will not provide you. Have you tried a tank?

No and I have no desire to. I was just saying that the tank system can be used on other things with an adapter besides the ego/riva style batteries that are sold on kit form with them.