Some things I cant get understand yet

[Spencer87]

So, Im THINKING about buying an APV, possibly the smoktech zmax.... or innoken MPV 2.0

Anyways, Heres the things i still cant get my head around in order of importance.
Please help.

1) tanks... whats a bottom coil system, and How come I dont seem to see wicks for them... so they need wicks.... where do you find them.... and ... how do i get replacement coils for them...

2) Batteries... 18650 and 18650B are the same? does it matter which MaH I get?

3) What is so special about Variable Voltage and Wattage? What does a Higher Voltage and Wattage do.... and how does it effect the Vape? Flavor? more of a cloud? Like, Explain... Low V + low W, High V+ High W, Low Voltage +High Wattage, High Voltage + Low Wattage and Mid for both....

4) Explain tanks... like, With my Cleaomizer, I have the plastic, the thing in the middle that also has the threading, and the thing that comes off... that has the wicks in it, Are the wicks the coils? And what is an Atomizer?

5) I know what dripping is, But, How to do it... Because, I assume, that you need some kind of seperate system.... How many drops gets how many puffs, and how can you know when its empty, Dont the wicks need to be wet? Isnt that the point of a Drip tip... so that you can....drip...? Can i do it with ANY e cig??

6) what is an Ohm... and what difference does it make?

I think that most flavor is important.

Maybe this is the wrong section, and its long, but...

kinda want to know the info... The most info Ive been able to find is all the terms, and I have to sort through them, and they dont really have much information.... 1 is by far the most hard to get, also dont get 3

 

[klynnn]

1. The reason you don't see wicks in bottom coil is they are almost non existant. I always have to take them apart to see. They have a cooler vape than I like. If you want to learn how they are rebuildable. You tube is your friend.
2. It depends on if a mech mod or a regulated mod and if you want to sub=ohm or you just want a reasonable cigarette replacement.
3. VV you have to decide what voltage you want to vape at based on the coil ohms. With vw the internals can do it for you...my favorite.
4, Tanks are cool. You pour the liquid in and it works.
5. Am working on dripping but just doesn't do it for me.

 

[Cool-breeze]

1) top fed has long wicks that come down to the liquid. Bottomed tanks still have wicks they are just small and tucked inside the atomizer. Any place you buy your tank from should sell them also.
2) I'm not familiar with the 18650b. Mah is basically the time a full charge will last. A 2000 mah will last longer than a 900 mah.
3) vv/vw adjusts power. Can give you a more consistent vape. It can also be used to give you more power than the battery alone. At full charge the battery will be around 4.2 vv can let you vape at 5.0 if you wanted. IMO anything over 8 watts is to much for store bought coils. More power means more liquid being vaporized but if your coil can't get liquid fast enough you'll taste toasted wick.
4) don't know the specifics of your tank without seeing/ knowing it. But the wick is in the atomizer. Google atomizer you'll see some pics that look similar to yours.
5) dripping is fantastic. Takes some learning for sure but worth it. Great flavor/ clouds. Many people enjoy using low ohms but it's not necessary. I tend to use 1.3-2.0 depending on device and mood. As far as how much it depends on the drippers. You get a feel for it. Basically squirt a few drops in, puff puff repeat.

 

[DingerCPA]

Hi Spencer!

So, Im THINKING about buying an APV, possibly the smoktech zmax.... or innoken MPV 2.0

Anyways, Heres the things i still cant get my head around in order of importance.
Please help.

1) Tanks... whats a bottom coil system, and How come I dont seem to see wicks for them... so they need wicks.... where do you find them.... and ... how do i get replacement coils for them...

Depending on the type of tank, the bottom coil wick is relatively small, or even hidden. They do need wicks, as the liquid needs to be drawn to the coil to be vaporized. You may need to google your type of tank (which you don't mention) to find out which coil works for it. Top-coil tanks need the longer wicks to defy gravity (because the liquid is settled in the bottom of the tank) in order to draw the fluid to the heating element.

2) Batteries... 18650 and 18650B are the same? does it matter which MaH I get?

Sorry - don't use these types of batteries. Again, google or do search within the forum. maH (milliamp Hours) is an indication of the amount of time needed between recharging. There's no "set" amount of time - it all depends on how much you use the battery. However, as an example, the iTaste VV3 is an 800 maH device, and the MVP2 is a 2600 maH device. Presuming the same amount of usage, you should expect the MVP to last about 3 times longer between charges than the VV3.

3) What is so special about Variable Voltage and Wattage? What does a Higher Voltage and Wattage do.... and how does it effect the Vape? Flavor? more of a cloud? Like, Explain... Low V + low W, High V+ High W, Low Voltage +High Wattage, High Voltage + Low Wattage and Mid for both....

Ohm's Law: V(oltage) = I(amps) * R(esistance). W(attage) = V(oltage)^2 / R(esistance) Your coil head resistance is your "fixed" variable. Therefore if you vape at a higher wattage, you'll need more voltage to drop across the resistance, which then pulls more amps (and potentially drains the battery more quickly) If you fix the wattage, then you can substitute different resistance coil heads and change the vape experience. Everyone's experiences are different. Some folks like "warmer" vapes - usually needing more current draw through the coil. With the variable devices, you can "dial in" on what works best for you. If you drop higher voltage across your coil, you do pull more current, which can potentially burn your juice or fry your wick. If you don't drop enough voltage across the coil, you won't be able to atomize/vaporize the liquid, and you could flood your tank or simply not create any vapor. (Side note - on a VV/VW device, you only set ONE of the options, you cannot set both variable voltage AND variable wattage - the electrical theory just won't work because your resistance is one of the fixed variables in the equation.)

4) Explain tanks... like, With my Cleaomizer, I have the plastic, the thing in the middle that also has the threading, and the thing that comes off... that has the wicks in it, Are the wicks the coils? And what is an Atomizer?

"Clearomizer" is typically a name for a tank with replaceable (possibly rebuildable) coil heads (and you can see through it.) The "thing in the middle" is either the air channel through which vapor is being drawn, or if this is a "Cartomizer", this is the equivalent of the "coil/atomizer" in a "clearomizer" tank. The atomizer is a term for the heating element which vaporizes (atomizes) the liquid. I have seen atomizer/coil used interchangeably.) Wicks are the material that typically runs through a coil (think of the shape of a slinky) that allows the liquid to be heated and vaporized. Wicks may be made of silica, cotton, ekowool, hemp, etc. I've just recently read that a type of rayon is being used as a wick. (Again, refer to your specific tank for what this doo-dad looks like)

5) I know what dripping is, But, How to do it... Because, I assume, that you need some kind of seperate system.... How many drops gets how many puffs, and how can you know when its empty, Dont the wicks need to be wet? Isnt that the point of a Drip tip... so that you can....drip...? Can i do it with ANY e cig??

Drip with ANY e-cig, I don't think so, but not 100% sure. A dripper is a tank-like topper, but holds very little juice - just basically enough to keep the wick wet long enough to take a few puffs. You then have to "drip" more liquid to continue vaping, or you will dry out (burn up) the wick. The "drip tip" is basically the mouthpiece through which you puff. I suppose you could try to put liquid in through that hole (but only with a dripping topper), but that's probably not very convenient.

I think that most flavor is important.

To achieve "most flavor" you have to take a number of factors into consideration - typically the PG/VG ratio - higher PG will help "carry" more flavor in the vape. You also have to consider the Wattage and/or Voltage and/or Resistance of the coil/atomizer. Again, what you like will be very different than what I like, so there is no definitive answer, other than your own tastebuds.

Maybe this is the wrong section, and its long, but...

kinda want to know the info... The most info Ive been able to find is all the terms, and I have to sort through them, and they dont really have much information.... 1 is by far the most hard to get, also dont get 3

:EDIT: You added a new question after I got done

Ohms are the measure of resistance that the coil wire has to the current which needs to flow in order to generate the heat to vaporize the liquid. Some devices will not fire if the coil resistance is too low (e.g. MVP isn't supposed to fire with coil resistance below about 1.0-1.2 ohms.) Per the Ohm's Law discussion above, lower resistance needs higher voltage drop in order to allow for enough current to flow to heat the coil. However, devices/batteries have certain limits in which they'll work *SAFELY*. The MVP is rated for 11.0 W max - it's voltage limit is 5.0 V max - doing the math yields the 1.0-1.2 ohm minimum resistance. Too much resistance, and you can't get enough voltage drop (current flow), and you'll never heat the coil

Hope that helps

 

[DetraMental]

So, Im THINKING about buying an APV, possibly the smoktech zmax.... or innoken MPV 2.0

Anyways, Heres the things i still cant get my head around in order of importance.
Please help.

1) Tanks... whats a bottom coil system, and How come I dont seem to see wicks for them... so they need wicks.... where do you find them.... and ... how do i get replacement coils for them... A bottom coil system is a system with the coil & wicks at the bottom. The wicks are very small and hard to see unless you take it apart to fill. It vapes cooler than a top coil with longer wicks. Most people prefer the Bottom Coil Systems. You can get replacement coils for them at the same place you purchase them and the wicks are included.

2) Batteries... 18650 and 18650B are the same? does it matter which MaH I get? I am unfamiliar with the 18650b batteries. I do use the 18650 batteries for all my mods except one.

3) What is so special about Variable Voltage and Wattage? What does a Higher Voltage and Wattage do.... and how does it effect the Vape? Flavor? more of a cloud? Like, Explain... Low V + low W, High V+ High W, Low Voltage +High Wattage, High Voltage + Low Wattage and Mid for both.... Variable Voltage/Wattage allow you to change the temperature of your vape which changes the flavor of your vape. If you know the ohm of your coil you can set your voltage to the number plus two. Example: if the ohm is 2 then your voltage would be set to 4. If the ohm is 3 the voltage would be 5.

4) Explain tanks... like, With my Cleaomizer, I have the plastic, the thing in the middle that also has the threading, and the thing that comes off... that has the wicks in it, Are the wicks the coils? And what is an Atomizer? The wicks are separate from the attomizer. The attomizer is the part that heats up. The wicks run across it allowing the juice to heat up.

5) I know what dripping is, But, How to do it... Because, I assume, that you need some kind of seperate system.... How many drops gets how many puffs, and how can you know when its empty, Dont the wicks need to be wet? Isnt that the point of a Drip tip... so that you can....drip...? Can i do it with ANY e cig?? I don't know if any e-cig allows for a drip system and there are many different systems so it's hard to say how many drips you'll need in general. If you're using a 510 atty you'll need no less than 4 drops. If you're using a RDA it'll depend on how much cotton or other wicking material you use.

I think that most flavor is important. Your tastebuds are the culprit here. VG is the flavor carrier for flavor. I use a 50/50 mix so I get the best of both, the throat hit and the flavor. If you want more flavor then more vg is what you want, it also produces more vapor. If you want more throat hit then pg is what you want. But pg comes with allergy issues. This is why I find a 50/50 mix most suitable for me. You may find a different ratio better for you.

Maybe this is the wrong section, and its long, but...

kinda want to know the info... The most info Ive been able to find is all the terms, and I have to sort through them, and they dont really have much information.... 1 is by far the most hard to get, also dont get 3

Look in my blog for terms and glossary there are pics and abbreviations on alot of vape terms that may help you out.

 

[Spencer87]

Thanks guys, Alot of this does help...
I added a question... I dont understand the Ohms....

 

[Spencer87]

and furthermore,

on a VV/VW device, you only set ONE of the options, you cannot set both variable voltage AND variable wattage

What does that mean.... you set one and the other is auto set? how do you pick which one you choose?

 

[DingerCPA]

and furthermore,

on a VV/VW device, you only set ONE of the options, you cannot set both variable voltage AND variable wattage

What does that mean.... you set one and the other is auto set? how do you pick which one you choose?

I added more to my previous response - to include ohms discussion. To further explain your last question, depending on the device, you would press one button or another (read your owner's manual) to set EITHER variable voltage or variable wattage. W=V^2/R.... you pick two of the variables (and one of them MUST be resistance). The other calculates based on your choices.

 

[Baditude]

on a VV/VW device, you only set ONE of the options, you cannot set both variable voltage AND variable wattage

What does that mean.... you set one and the other is auto set? how do you pick which one you choose?

VV/VW mods (regulated mods) have both "modes" as an option. You will use either one mode or the other in use, not in both; although voltage affects wattage and vice verce. One mode is not better than the other; both get you to the same place, just take a different route to get to the same destination.

• Variable Voltage mode - You will need to know the ohm rating of the coil and then do a little first grade math to set the voltage. Always add the number "2" to the ohm rating to find the voltage range to set. For example, 2 ohms plus 2 = 4 volts; or 3 ohms plus 2 = 5 volts. This is not a rule set in stone, so feel free to experiment with what your personal "sweet spot" is. The formula is only meant as a general guideline.
  
  
• Variable Wattage mode - from experience, you may find that you like to always vape at 8 watts. Set that on your mod. Then say you change from a tank with a 2 ohm coil to another tank with a 3 ohm coil. The chip recognizes the change in resistance, makes the calculations, and resets the output so that you are still vaping at 8 watts despite the change in tanks.

Ohm's Law for Dummies

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[DetraMental]

Right you pick one. It's been said that selecting wattage will allow you to set it and forget it which is nice if you don't like fiddling around with settings. I prefer fiddling. When you purchase replacement coils you are given the option of what ohms you want: 1.8 ohm, 2.0 ohm, 2.4 ohm, etc....knowing that you'll be able to set your voltage and or wattage. Your voltage would be ohm + 2 = Voltage. It's the easiest to remember. To determine your wattage: W(attage) = V(oltage)^2 / R(esistance)

There is a table somewhere that tells you what your wattage is once you determine your voltage. I'll try and do a search for it.

Never mind my search, Baditude has you covered .

 

[Jerrycat]

Basically an ohm is a rating for the amount of resistance a particular component (in this case a kanthal or nichrome coil of metal) gives to the flow of electricity. Think of electricity as a river that flows... That river would be the circuit, while the resistance would be (as an example) a shallow place in the river with lots of rocks that offers resistance to the flow of water in the river.. in this analogy, an ohm would be the measurement of just how much resistance that shallow rocky part offers to the water flow.
Also, in the case of atomizer coils, they offer resistance to the flow of electricity... as a byproduct of that resistance, heat is generated, which in this case is exactly what is needed to vaporize the ejuice. In the case of ecigarettes/pv's it becomes a balancing act that is very subjective to each pv user, and their desired usage. Hope this helps!

 

[Baditude]

A specific ohm coil will have a "range" of voltage or wattage output which it will perform most optimally. The following Safe Vaping Power Chart can give a visual explanation on the relationship of ohms (left vertical column) and voltage (top horizontal column) and wattage (colored blocks).

 

[Spencer87]

So Let me clear this up...
If i were to buy this

http://www.hoosierecig.com/T-Dux-replacement-coil-heads_p_964.html

It should already have the wicks inside it?

And how long should they last each one, because its like... 2 dollars for 1.... and thinking i might want to stock up

So which OHM should I buy... under resistance? I see... also DC and SC, What is that? (Edit, I get it, Dual Coil Single coil.. I assume Dual Coil must be better, because itcosts more...

Im thinking of also getting this

Smok Tech Pyrex Aro Tank

and then if I got either this
Zmax

or
Smok SiD


Then, I should be good with

any of the batteries that say 18650 on this page, as well as any of the chargers?

MOD batteries and chargers


And that would be All I would need?


This is all for reference, So I can know later, I just found out for some reason they wont ship to Japan.....

So At least when I can find a shipper, I know what i will need.