Some thoughts on reactions to ecigs

[Gas]

I dissagree with the "not calling an ecig a Cigarette"

If "Assuming Nicotine" is the ONLY reason you smoked, then why didn't the patches and gums work for you? Answer me that one...

We are not only addicted to the nicotine, we are also addicted to the ritual of smoking.
The hand to mouth oral fixation, the fiddling with a cigarette in your fingers, the smoke after a meal..etc..etc...

The Ecigarette gives us ALL of that.
So it absolutely should be compared to a cigarette.

If anything, it should be called a "Cancer Free Cigarette", like Sugar Free Cola, Fat Free Cookie, etc..

Let's say this is a very complicated and individual subject so I'm not here to give absolute and universal conclusions but the main reason why people smoke is addiction to nicotine. In fact you can try giving an e-cig with 0% nicotine to a regular smoker and see what will happen. The " ritual" is surely the same, hand to mouth oral fixation, cigarette in his fingers etc but he will probably throw it away because it won't satisfy his nicotine need ( I was about doing it since I started with 0% nicotine). The other thing smokers look for is thraot hit which gives both physical and psychological pleasure, that's why patches and gums don't work. I agree about after meal cigarette that is mainly a psychological matter and to me was related with habit, like I couldn't live If I didn't smoke but the same anxiety came just from myself like when you have just finished smoking a cigarette and you realise you don't have anymore.... I used to panic and feeling like needing one even if I had just smoked the last a minute before.
About having the cigarette in your hands... People can easily avoid sigarette shape like with BB because they can give strong throat hit and nicotine. If there wasn't nicotine I don't think much smokers would have passed to e-cigarettes, would have looked more like a toy. Anyway experiences and tatstes are individual I repeat it, I don't claim to impose my thoughts, just to share my opinion.

 

[mistinthewoods]

OK I'm gonna start callin' my Chuck an E-....!

 

[Gas]

OK I'm gonna start callin' my Chuck an E-....!

Ha ha ha

 

[mistinthewoods]

NO, I'm SERIOUS!

 

[Getto]

Now for public awareness, who wants to organize a March to the White House??
I'd sign up.

I can march much farther with you now that I'm vaping.

 

[vappoem]

Ok...So while I am glad that I was able to generate some discussion, I think I must admit to the community that I am a little embarrassed about this post. I made the original post after coming home from a bar and realizing how much vaping means to me. Like a lot of people of this forum, I have never been able to quit smoking. I've tried everything: nicotine gum (it worked, except I chewed the gum without break, then bought cigarettes when I couldn't get the gum), the patch (made me itchy and I still wanted to smoke), and Chantix (the worse of them all, I suffered from suicidal idealization on Chantix, as well as extremely unpleasant dreams). To me, the PV is a god sent (by the way I'm an atheist, but am rethinking it since my blu's and my screwdriver arrived). After spending the whole night reading about FDA bans and objections to the e cig, I think I got a little afraid of not having this product. To make a long story short, I didn't mean to criticize anyone, but instead am expressing fear that the one hope I have might be gone. I know PV's might have health risks, but for the first time, I believe I can quit cigarettes (which caused me so many health problems). I guess I got so worked up about these products that I couldn't understand why some would want to take my only hope away from me. Thank you for your understanding. Now, I'm going to post about finding a compromise between blu's and a screwdriver (does anyone else think that part of our addiction is being satisfied with buying new and interesting products.)

 

[Gas]

The whole issue about banning Pvs it's nonsense. They want to ban devices that improve people's lives bringing on the table stupid points and they approved a drug like Chantix that is known to have severe side effects like the emerging of suicidal thoughts and depression, but hey.. that have been proved as medicinal product so let's jump off the window all together. About addiction related to buying new devices... I needed to face the thing before it overwhelmed me, I would have bought several devices at one time but I preferred going to something that will surely last me forever or well, more than others so I'm now waiting for my GGTS which has it all.

 

[ShaneC]

To make a long story short, I didn't mean to criticize anyone, but instead am expressing fear that the one hope I have might be gone. I know PV's might have health risks, but for the first time, I believe I can quit cigarettes (which caused me so many health problems). I guess I got so worked up about these products that I couldn't understand why some would want to take my only hope away from me. Thank you for your understanding.

You did bring up some very good points though. Watch the news and look how words are used to conjure up negative images or provoke certain thoughts via sound bites.

I firmly believe that one of the biggest things that the anti-vaping campaign will use against us is simply the terminology and flavorings, at least in terms of trying to turn uneducated persons against us.

Picture this on the news:

"New e-cigarette devices, currently unregulated by the FDA, and typically imported from over-seas, most commonly China, are now being sold with candy flavors. Some people claim that these devices are simply a way to exploit holes in the smoking ban. Doctors are unsure of how severe the health risks of these devices are. Some people allege that they can even be used for illegal drugs".

-Copyright ShaneC 22 May 2010

Watch that get quoted verbatim on the nightly news. *sigh*

 

[AmyB66]

I think BT won't pick up PV's because in order to market them well, they would have to really admit how bad the addiction is to smoking (even though we all know it) and how harmful smoking is (even though we all already know it) but something tells me that this would just open up a whole nother can of worms and lawsuits for them. They would be further proving that all the chemicals in a regular cigarette are harmful and addicting also and while they are not disputing how addictive nicotine is, I don't see anything about all the other chemicals aside from carbon monoxide on their packaging.

 

[Haytoni]

So I know this is my very first post, but I joined this forum after lurking for many days in order to share some idea. First, like a lot of you, I am very concerned about the government's reaction to e-cig. However, I would like to share some thoughts about why the anti-smoking crowd has so many concerns about e-cig. I share these thoughts in order to stimulate a discussion about further strategies everyone of can do to change the mindset towards are Pvs.



So, now I would like to present the following list of my own ideas in order to increase awareness about PV's:

1. I have a little bit of an issue with the name "e cigarette." As soon as people hear the word "cigarette" it seems that their mind automatically goes to images of Joe Camel being used to promote tobacco to minors and altered studies to change scientific fact about the dangers of smoking. Personally, I think it is about time we acknowledge this and use the term "PV" over "e cig." Furthermore, if you buy American made products, make sure you inform people that there are American products. Look, I don't want to seem unfair to China, but China's journey into capitalism hasn't been smooth. Right now, China is known as the country that got a bunch of dogs killed.

2. I'm also concerned about PV's that advertise their produce as something that lets one "smoke anywhere." First of all, it is misleading. If you are vaping, you are not smoking. Second, I think it makes people who don't understand PV's think that you are some how flaunting the law. If there is one thing people hate, it's people whom can find loop holes. We don't use these products to smoke, let's not call them "smoking everywhere" products.

3. If the anti-smoking group is going to play the "they're trying to hook kids on cigarettes card," let's not give them any fuel for the fire. What I mean by this, is that I think the PV industry and the PV users need to be vigilant in this process. Yes, I know. It is a ridiculous argument for politicians to say that e cigs are a ploy to bait children because they have flavors (as the politician orders another strawberry flavored alcoholic beverage), but unfortunately this is going to happen. And, unless you have had a degree of success with PV's, I think most of the general public believe this. So, what I would ask is, instead of getting rid of flavors, why not get rid of anything that can seem "kid-friendly." Any design, logo or even name that came be used against us needs to be reconsidered. If you have never looked at Johnson Creek's website, I'll ask you to do so. There is no way anyone under the age of 18 would stay on that page for longer than a minute.

4. This is my final point, but I really think it needs to be made. I am really upset when I google " e cigs' and see "e cigs for weed." Now, I am not here to judge anyone's lifestyle. I really don't care what you want to do, but I am concerned that lawmakers will pick up on this and ban PVs because they can be used to distribute narcotics. Now, some of you are probably thinking, "well you can use brownies to distribute narcotics and no one is trying to ban them." Keep in mind, everyone knows what a brownie is all ready. A lot of people don't understand a PV.

5. I am sick of always hearing about the FDA's study in every news report. I ask PVers to start pointing out problems with this study as soon as you see it is quoted.

I am sorry to create such a long post, but I really think this issue is of the upmost importance. I'm always surprised that we are fighting a ban. To be honest, what I would think should happen is our government should be issuing vouchers for smokers to purchase PVs. But it is what it is. I just can't
keep silent any longer while misinformation runs rampant. For the first time in my life, not only can I see a future without cigarettes, but I can envision a future of hope for my health.

Well written and taken, however, what is "brownie"????? Guess I have lived a sheltered life, being a product of the early 30's, does have some draw backs. Thanks in advance for your reply.

 

[Gas]

"Some people allege that they can even be used for illegal drugs"

Gosh this is complete nonsense... If this is one of the problems what about tobacco then, don't people use it to smoke weed? If this is a problem why not banning tobacco? Simply because it's a stupid statement, everything can be misused but that only depends on people's responsibility, not on the device itself. Like courgettes, they are "designed" to be eaten but can be harmful if you put them in someone'... and remain stuck there

 

[SirVette]

Well written and taken, however, what is "brownie"????? Guess I have lived a sheltered life, being a product of the early 30's, does have some draw backs. Thanks in advance for your reply.

Some put "weed" (mj) in brownies.

 

[sl1pg8r]

The idea that there needs to be a ban because PV's appeals to kids is wholly a scare tactic. Keeping children from breaking the law should be the child's job. We can't keep codling our young people. If someone commits murder we don't blame the murder weapon. I work for a cellphone company in customer service. I see these sort of ideals all the time. When a child downloads a ringtone without the parent's permission and the customer is charged it's my companies fault. Not the child's fault for agreeing (through 3 "are you sure" messages) to the download and charge, not the parent's responsibility for giving the child the phone with the ability to generate charges. I know this is kind of a rant but I'm just so sick of people trying to blame everything they don't agree with on someone else.

Sound like:

The most extreme example of this is dihydrogen oxide. This compound is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year.

Also :

is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain
contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

SO... If you would like look online and I'm sure you'll find a petition so you too can help everyone to like safer lives and ban water.

- slip

 

[ShaneC]

"Some people allege that they can even be used for illegal drugs"

Gosh this is complete nonsense... If this is one of the problems what about tobacco then, don't people use it to smoke weed? If this is a problem why not banning tobacco? Simply because it's a stupid statement, everything can be misused but that only depends on people's responsibility, not on the device itself. Like courgettes, they are "designed" to be eaten but can be harmful if you put them in someone'... and remain stuck there

Well of course its nonsense. It's the same type of nonsense that made it nearly impossible to walk into a gas station in VA to buy rolling papers when I toyed with rolling my own. The nice lady at the counter did attempt to sell my a Philly Blunt though.

Its just what I think is going to see the type of spin used against Vapers in order to protect special interests.

 

[Gas]

Its just what I think is going to see the type of spin used against Vapers in order to protect special interests.

I think the same there's surely something like that. Would be strange if the Tobacco Multinationals didn't influence the whole event. Let's imagine hydrogen or another alernative fuel comes into the market logically guaranteeing less carbon dioxide and less damage for the environment.... do you think petroleum multinationals would just stay there like hey! finally we can breathe a cleaner air stopping to destroy our world with deadly gas just because we like M-O-N-E-Y!. They would surely try to discredit the safer, healthier, better alternative to protect their interests who knows they might already have stopped even research about it as far as I know. Even the government can have its interest about the whole thing, less people buying tobacco less incomes...

 

[VaporKingOfNY]

so i know this is my very first post, but i joined this forum after lurking for many days in order to share some idea. First, like a lot of you, i am very concerned about the government's reaction to e-cig. However, i would like to share some thoughts about why the anti-smoking crowd has so many concerns about e-cig. I share these thoughts in order to stimulate a discussion about further strategies everyone of can do to change the mindset towards are pvs.

So, now i would like to present the following list of my own ideas in order to increase awareness about pv's:

1. I have a little bit of an issue with the name "e cigarette." as soon as people hear the word "cigarette" it seems that their mind automatically goes to images of joe camel being used to promote tobacco to minors and altered studies to change scientific fact about the dangers of smoking. Personally, i think it is about time we acknowledge this and use the term "pv" over "e cig." furthermore, if you buy american made products, make sure you inform people that there are american products. Look, i don't want to seem unfair to china, but china's journey into capitalism hasn't been smooth. Right now, china is known as the country that got a bunch of dogs killed.

2. I'm also concerned about pv's that advertise their produce as something that lets one "smoke anywhere." first of all, it is misleading. If you are vaping, you are not smoking. Second, i think it makes people who don't understand pv's think that you are some how flaunting the law. If there is one thing people hate, it's people whom can find loop holes. We don't use these products to smoke, let's not call them "smoking everywhere" products.

3. If the anti-smoking group is going to play the "they're trying to hook kids on cigarettes card," let's not give them any fuel for the fire. What i mean by this, is that i think the pv industry and the pv users need to be vigilant in this process. Yes, i know. It is a ridiculous argument for politicians to say that e cigs are a ploy to bait children because they have flavors (as the politician orders another strawberry flavored alcoholic beverage), but unfortunately this is going to happen. And, unless you have had a degree of success with pv's, i think most of the general public believe this. So, what i would ask is, instead of getting rid of flavors, why not get rid of anything that can seem "kid-friendly." any design, logo or even name that came be used against us needs to be reconsidered. If you have never looked at johnson creek's website, i'll ask you to do so. There is no way anyone under the age of 18 would stay on that page for longer than a minute.

4. This is my final point, but i really think it needs to be made. I am really upset when i google " e cigs' and see "e cigs for weed." now, i am not here to judge anyone's lifestyle. I really don't care what you want to do, but i am concerned that lawmakers will pick up on this and ban pvs because they can be used to distribute narcotics. Now, some of you are probably thinking, "well you can use brownies to distribute narcotics and no one is trying to ban them." keep in mind, everyone knows what a brownie is all ready. A lot of people don't understand a pv.

5. I am sick of always hearing about the fda's study in every news report. I ask pvers to start pointing out problems with this study as soon as you see it is quoted.

I am sorry to create such a long post, but i really think this issue is of the upmost importance. I'm always surprised that we are fighting a ban. To be honest, what i would think should happen is our government should be issuing vouchers for smokers to purchase pvs. But it is what it is. I just can't
keep silent any longer while misinformation runs rampant. For the first time in my life, not only can i see a future without cigarettes, but i can envision a future of hope for my health.

well said!!!

 

[VaporKingOfNY]

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Like courgettes, they are "designed" to be eaten but can be harmful if you put them in someone'... and remain stuck there

LMAO!!! Too funny!!!

 

[mistinthewoods]

Some put "weed" (mj) in brownies.

That's IT! Ban the brownies!
I've seen people smoke weed through a hollowed out apple. NO MORE APPLES!
People have been known to snort coke through rolled up dollar bills. NO MORE MONEY FOR YOU LITTLE MISTER!
Compact mirrors? FORGET ABOUT IT!