Someone explain to me......

[VWFringe]

does it seem like there is a disconnect between how e-cig users use li-ion cells and how we're "taught" to use li-ion cells in a stricter sense?

I think from what I've read you really want to pull something as big as an 18650, and charge it in a real charger in a bag or on a brick, but I get the sense that's just not done a lot by e-cig users - is everyone just sitting around their chargers with probes checking when their done, or is there really a sense of "that'll never happen to me"?

i think what i found out is the tech isn't there yet without making it bulky, but everyone has to find out every so often as things advance, so expect waves of noise about it

maybe add stickies to cut down on certain noise, like one titled "state of the art in: charging in mods"
with one answer, "can't yet"

hahahaha

(i'm gonna go ask cottonpicker about this, hope i'll get an answer)

 

[GERGOZ]

Nah, party at GEOGOZ's. Sounds like a good name for a pub anyway. We can all charge batteries while vaping with no cords. Animeguy is invited too (so far).

P.S. Although I have no idea how to pronounce it. "Let's all go to GEO....G....GEO-GO-Z... that one place with the G's in it."

AttyPops, you werent being serious with this thread, were you, lol

you just wanted somebody to talk to, bless your heart, lol !

GERGOZ comes from my name:

GER...my first name Gervis (pronounced Grrr-vis)
GOZ...my last name Gosdin (pronounced Goz-din)

hey, yall are welcome !

gotta warn ya though, i dont drink (booze), so it might not be much of a party, lol

that would probably make me a good candidate to own a pub !

we can get up a good game of dominoes, though !

how does that saying go ? i'll leave the lights on

gervis

 

[VpnDrgn]

IDK why I would want a cord haning off my nice 1x or 2x 14500/18650 mod tho.
P.S. Also, unless you employ a lot of care... you can't really vape them and charge them at the same time. So it's "off line" while charging anyway. Like a stock battery would be. Is this so you don't have to tote around a charger? Do you carry 2 mods then, rather than spare removable batteries??????

I am not a heavy vapor, one charge on the 14650 in my box mod last all day. At night I just plug it in and in the morning I'm good to go.
Technically I didn't put the charger in my box, I just put in a jack to plug the charger into.

hey VpnDrgn, didnt you hear... earth magnets are the new screws, lol

Unfortunately my batt barely fit in the box, it takes the screws to keep the lid flush.

If I needed 2 or 3 batts to make it through the day I'd make it easier to swap out batts.
Or just build a box around this bad boy.
Hmmm.. might just do that anyways, it would prolly last me a week.

In the end it is all down to personal preference; my own rant would be all the people asking about
on board charging that obviously didn't do any searching, there have been several post on this
in the last couple of weeks.

Vape on People

 

[CraigHB]

I really like being able to plug-in to charge, though charging has to be passthru for me, in other words, I need to be able to charge and vape at the same time. I started with the eGos and boy did I get tired of screwing in batteries. I think I dropped them more times than I screwed them in. Then I got a production mod and quickly got tired of unscrewing the cap to swap out the battery. I think I was getting excersize picking up that cap off the floor. Now, I just plug 'er in. Though I'm not using USB because I'm charging at a high rate (big batt). I use a 5V 2A wall adapter with a barrel connector, higher cycle life and current rating than a USB connector.

Of course, we're talking triviality here, but it's always been the little conveniences in electronics I appreciate most.

 

[mj64]

If I was building my wife a mod built-in charging would be a requirement. She doesn't like anything that seems like maintenance. If I didn't make her buy new tires she would just sell the car when they wore out.

 

[CraigHB]

Hehe, you just described my wife to me.

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

no atty not alone...although I AM building a prototype mod w built in charging but it has protections and the charger is external...

The reason I am making this design is for the assorted reasons stated above...Us modders will make tiny or at least small mods we can swap out batts in and care not a wit about pulling batts but we live in a society where people prefer ease of use and all in one...

Your wifes too...dang...what is it w people today..."the blower on the ac quit today..." she says as she gets ready to call the bank to ask about a car loan...

of course I'm the maniac who uses old school Nimh or NiZN rechargables for my personal toys...lol

 

[AttyPops]

AttyPops, you werent being serious with this thread, were you, lol
..........
gervis

I was serious (about the charging thread, not the party... and I don't drink <much> either). It kind of "got away from me" a bit... but yes.. serious. If I get into it, I might offend, but that doesn't usually stop me so...

Some guy posted, yet again, about putting a charger inside his 2xAA 14500 battery mod and getting it to fit. That's one 14500, button, and some kind of built in charger. He's not the only one. There's a ton of em. THE BATTERY IS REMOVABLE, PEOPLE!!! I just don't get it. You just pop it out and replace it with a fresh one. It takes 5 seconds.

More power to him/them (pun intended). I say... skies the limit. Add a small speaker and embed an AM/FM radio while you are at it. Might as well.

I understand fixed battery stuff... like the eGo PT or some such. You don't pop out the battery. But for 14500 mods.... WTF?

That's what prompted it. But hey, modding is fun, and part of the fun is doing it the way YOU want it. So go ahead, no offense. Do whatever. It's cool. Doesn't mean I understand it tho.

Thanks all for the above. Food for thought.

P.S. I still don't have a good explanation of how people are implementing this. When you press the button, does it cut off the charger and fire the atty? Or do you not vape-and-charge?

I guess it's "cell phone expectation". Everything should charge like a cell phone. Including a removable battery....

 

[CraigHB]

P.S. I still don't have a good explanation of how people are implementing this. When you press the button, does it cut off the charger and fire the atty? Or do you not vape-and-charge?

I don't know how others are a doing it, but my mod has a fixed battery and an on-board charge management controller. It shuts down charging when the atomizer is energized by sending a disable signal to the controller. That's to keep it from getting confused by the sudden change in current draw. The controller I use runs a high rate with a full set of safety features so it would not react well to that. However, for a more basic charging module, you probably could just let it stay on. The charger would just go it it's max draw, which is usually pretty low for a basic charger, a few hundred mA, then return to normal when the atomizer is de-energized.

 

[AttyPops]

Isn't a chargers polarity reversed? Maybe not. As is implied with this thread, I don't build them in (yet).

 

[CraigHB]

One of the great things about Li-Ion batts compared to NiMH batts is their wonderfully simple charging profile. With NiMH batts you have over-drive the cell and sense a change in temperature and/or a change in current to detect when the charging cycle is complete. With Li-Ions, just apply 4.2 volts with current limited to the charging rate. When current drops off below a threshold, charging is complete. A Li-Ion charger is basically just a highly precise regulator with a low current limit. I've charged these batts with my DC power supply before the charging profile is so simple.

To repsond to your question, no the polarity is not reversed. The charger simply runs in parallel with the battery. Same as charging the battery in your car.

 

[Animeguy]

does it seem like there is a disconnect between how e-cig users use li-ion cells and how we're "taught" to use li-ion cells in a stricter sense?

I think from what I've read you really want to pull something as big as an 18650, and charge it in a real charger in a bag or on a brick, but I get the sense that's just not done a lot by e-cig users - is everyone just sitting around their chargers with probes checking when their done, or is there really a sense of "that'll never happen to me"?

i think what i found out is the tech isn't there yet without making it bulky, but everyone has to find out every so often as things advance, so expect waves of noise about it

maybe add stickies to cut down on certain noise, like one titled "state of the art in: charging in mods"
with one answer, "can't yet"

hahahaha

(i'm gonna go ask cottonpicker about this, hope i'll get an answer)

I meter my battery daily just cuz I have nothing else better to do. My meter is on the table right beside my bed. And charger is there too I charge while I watch my anime and take it off when its done. But continue watching anime.

I'm naruto fan too!! The manga is starting to get good. I stopped watching bleach after the aizen arc. I figure I wait till this current arc is done and just dl it all at once. I was reading the bleach manga and was not too thrilled to watch it lol.

 

[sierra22]

im with ya atty, i just don't see whats so hard about puttin a battery into a charger.

 

[AttyPops]

To repsond to your question, no the polarity is not reversed. The charger simply runs in parallel with the battery. Same as charging the battery in your car.

So it's the same polarity, but you are "putting in" rather than "taking out"... I guess. I obviously haven't bothered looking it up. Anyway... that's good news since it makes it easy to build in a charger and vape at the same time without danger, I would guess.... could still fry it (over amping it..?). Maybe most designs just hold up well to it.

 

[Skyway]

I recently made a post asking about it and the reasons why were because of the box I am using. I did not want to nik up the grooves in my coffin box so I wanted a way to charge 2 18350's without worrying about taking them out.
If I have a usb cable at the house, the office and in the car(they ARE there are already) why not take advantage of them instead of worrying about carrying around extra batteries? Granted in my case, using 2 18350's gives me about 2 days of vaping but who is say that I wont get stuck somewhere without the extra batteries since I did not want to put them in my pocket?
I am not even really sure why the question in the first place had to be asked. Its modifying, so it belong here anyway.

 

[AttyPops]

I am not even really sure why the question in the first place had to be asked. Its modifying, so it belong here anyway.

It was asked out of confusion and curiosity. I made it a point to say that modding is cool, and you can do what you want. It's just that to me, carrying batteries is easier than building it in. To each their own. This:

but who is say that I wont get stuck somewhere without the extra batteries since I did not want to put them in my pocket?

is the answer for you.

I just wondered why people wanted to do it.

 

[AttyPops]

Guess I'm just old. lol. <gramps imitation> "Back in the day" we had to walk 5 miles (up hill both ways) to the nearest battery charger and were damn glad to have it. Nothing had a charger built into it. And if you got 10 minutes out of a freshly charged battery, you were happy.

Oh, and cell phones were the size of two bricks.

 

[CraigHB]

Hehe, I remember when those bricks first started appearing. I used to think, "why would anyone want to be strapped to a phone." My opinion hasn't changed much. I have one, but only for use in dire need. They're good for that at least. I haven't turned mine on in like two months.

I hadn't noticed people asking about this charging business a lot myself (I haven't been around here much until lately). But then I just came across a thread where someone was getting way too hung up on it, especially for his obvioulsy limited understanding of electronics. Why knock yourself out trying to build something too complicated for your ability (and pester everyone around you for information you don't really understand) when it's generally a trivial thing to change batteries out.

 

[mj64]

Hehe, I remember when those bricks first started appearing. I used to think, "why would anyone want to be strapped to a phone." My opinion hasn't changed much. I have one, but only for use in dire need. They're good for that at least. I haven't turned mine on in like two months.

I hadn't noticed people asking about this charging thing a lot myself (I haven't been around here much until lately). But then I just came across a thread where someone was getting way too hung up on it, especially for his obvioulsy limited understanding of electronics. Why knock yourself out trying to build something too complicated for your ability (and pester everyone around you for information you don't really understand) when it's generally a trivial thing to change batteries out.

Perspectives. I know how to charge batteries. I have lots of batteries. I have some electronic devices that charge both ways, and some that don't. I don't find the option of imbedded charging and user-replaceable batteries mutually exclusive. I think it is extremely consumer-friendly. Search the net and you'll find a lot of cranky iThingy people whose battery reached its lifespan and must send it to their iThingy manufacturer to get the battery replaced at a steep price.

mj

 

[NicksVap3]

the ease of use. USB is every where. id never make one with a wire hanging out. cell uses mini usb to charge, mp3 players, gps... the list goes on. if youve got a mini usb wall charger, car charger, usb on the computer... why carry around another charger the same size, if not bulkier than your mod if you can build one in thats a fraction of the size? even IF its as easy as un screwing and popping it out why not still add it? instead of a charger carry an extra battery and put a smaller battery in that mod to make it more compact and have the spare incase your away from power.