Something I've been dying to ask

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I want to ask a very specific thing about the juice making process. I want to know what system the Chef uses to vape with. And for that matter, anyone at madvapes involved in testing juices as well. -- I've never had such good access to the people making my juice before, so I've never asked any other juice manufacturers this question, but I think I'll start asking as many of them as I do business with at least.

The reason I want to know this is that I own several PVs and I've used a very wide variety of vaping systems and juices. I noticed a long time ago that if I didn't like a juice in one particular system, it was worth at least trying it on another system or a different voltage or drip it, tank it, put it in a carto, maybe LR maybe not... etc etc. Juice flavors taste different in different system or at different voltages or both. Even way different from the same batteries at the same voltage but through different attys, cartos, or tanks

This prompts me to wonder how the chef and testers vape. I'd like to know exactly how they vape so I can find out exactly what the juice was designed to taste like. And, I think by figuring out how each of these people vape, I could take a bottle of juice straight to the right type of system to vape it on and never bother trying it where it wasn't directly designed to taste good.

In fact, testers notes would be a class move on your part to use in your advertizing and juice descriptions.. If you had real testers notes describing the nature of the vape, and the details of how they vaped it and the equipment they used..

Something like that could even lead to targeted advertising. Maybe you could have Scott design a juice that really only hits it peak on some obscure PV or maybe some super-popular one. You could market that one juice to a specific user base. There's a million ways having that sort of extra information available could be useful with your advertizing etc.

Anyway, I'd love to hear how the cook tastes his soup and how any testers do too. That would be great information to have. Then, instead of hunting the right PV when I try a new juice, maybe I'll be able to get to the best of it right away.

So, how do all the madvapes prefer to vape?
 

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six, yes, an excellent question.. So, the process as I see it..

1) After getting an idea for a new flavor, Scott locks himself in the liquid room for a while..
2) He shows up in my office several hours or days later holding a 5 or 10ml bottle of no-nic juice and a new 2.5 ohm carto.
3) My uneducated mouth tastes it and after several minutes I try to pick out the main flavor concept of the liquid.
4) Scott uses no nic, so after the flavor guessing game, we vape it for a little bit and see if it tastes like what it's supposed to. If not, Scott goes back to step 1 :)
5) If the liquid tastes good at 2.5 ohms, I then get a bottle with nic for me to test and see if it still tastes good. If not then back to step 1.
6) If Scott and I like it, then it goes to all the other 8 or so vapers we have at the office, some use LR, some are at 6 volts and some at 7.4 volts. We get feedback from everyone and see if there are any adjustments that need to be made. If so, minor tweeks happen and then the testing game begins again.. Testing is always with new cartos or atties (which frosts my cookies but part of r&d I guess.)
7) If all of us like it and it appears to work on a variety of usually 510 stuff but sometimes 808's then we stare at it for a little bit and let it sit for a few days.. When new customers come in we hold them down and make then try it out and get some feedback..

8) All good to go? We make up a few liters and get it on the website or sometimes we'll send out samples and get some feedback before putting it up on the site.

We eventually test with 901's but 510's seem to be the hardest on flavors so we focus on testing on them at different levels and resistances..

We'll actually come across juices that I dislike but if the general consensus is that everyone else likes it, then it's just me I guess :)

hoog
 

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Interesting thread - how to target juice manufacture to a specific user base.
However, there are a few points I think that have been overlooked:
1. Taste is subjective - what tastes good today might not taste good to me next week or even later today. From what I understand, the taste of e-juice is not chemically stabilized and will change over time.
2. YMMV - What works for me may not work for you, given the relatively small number of variables. The PG/VG ratio will behave differently at different atty wattages, draw strength, age of carto or cartridge, density of filler etc etc.
3. The idea is a good one but it has the potential to restrict certain flavors to certain PV's for optimal vaping - surely, the idea is for everything to be open and each to find his own 'comfort point'

Corollary to #3 - Vaping will have to be a damn sight more foolproof than it is now for 'mass' acceptance.
 

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Wow hoog, I had no idea it was such an involved process, but what you say makes sense. I honestly had no idea you had to go through so many steps to ensure getting the flavor that will produce the desired results across such a wide array of equipment.

Thanks for taking the time to provide such a detailed description of what is involved and I learned something today as I'm sure many others will also.

Appreciate the information and the education!

TT
 
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