Sounds like a hidden danger in E cigs has surfaced

[dale5671]

Good possibility of high blood pressure because of too much nicotene. I've seen it here, my wifes' got elevated, haven't checked mine yet. Doesn't seem to affect all, but do they know it may be, without even knowing it? You can't know until you take the readings . Seems like how much to use isn't clear to a lot of people here. I see people vaping 36mg?? The nicotene patch was 25mg to start, timed released so it would last one day. When I tried them I could tell I was getting nicotene... a bit much for me. If you buy 20 mg nicotene of juice, in 1 ml there is 20mg of nicotene. This equates to about 20 drops to 1ml, depending on the viscosity of the liquid. An empy cartridge hold about 7 drops(the way I fill them). A little over two carts will be your 20 mg for the day.
I think a lot of people are getting way too much nicotene and are starting to look at it as a hobby, instead of a way to quit burning tobacco. I use it with tobacco flavor only and am not into the flavors, flavoring to me might it more inviting, and wanting to do it more. When you think about it, tobacco now doesn't seem that appealing anymore. I just use the PV to stop the cigarettes and nothing more.
Too much nicotene and Any for that matter is bad. Stroke, heart attack and conditions worse than smoking regular cigarettes, can be had in a VERY short time (like a ride in an ambulance) if not watched(monitored). You have to remember nicotene was one of the bigger reasons tobacco was bad(strong addictve drug).
Is there the exact emount of nicotene in the liquid that you buy? Well you don't really know since a lot of it is "homade mixed." Should be somewhat regulated as to be made/mixed in a sterile environment, qc'd for amounts, etc. Same reason, would you buy a psych prescription drug from an individual?
It's been one month for me with an ecig and no regular cigarettes. I just hope they don't find something major wrong with these, which would make them worse than a regular cig. I just wish they were studied more by our doctors, (which I see they now are) and say every thing looks ok with them. It'll at least have them on our side, when/if Uncle Sam butts in.

 

[CtryBoy]

High Blood Pressure is a serious issue. And everyone here should be well aware of nicotine's effects, everything has it's dangers and it's up to each of us to be as informed as possible.

Part of the reason DIY is so popular is it's much easier to control the mg/ml of your juice and to decrease their intake in a more controlled fashion without having to have multiple strengths on hand. And as far as flavors, let's face it no one ever smoked an analog for the taste, so a carrot to help lure us away from the dreaded cancer sticks should be a good thing.

I personally have fought HBP for years. Since I wouldnt quit analogs, I had to focus on other risk factors in my life, mainly salt intake. Although I'd love to find more items in the store with less salt, beyond expecting accurate labeling I dont want the stuff regulated out of existence. And I even have salt in the cabinet, though it'll probably turn into block of salt before I ever use it all. I became educated about how much salt was in the products I was consuming and diligently eliminated as much as possible through reading labels or homebrewing.

Stick with reputable vendors you can trust. They want you to come back so they do their best to provide you with a quality product that matches what you ordered. The amount of nicotine is in mg/ml. So 24mg is 24mg/ml. Question is how much are you actually getting from vaping and for now we have to rely on the same self regulation that came from smoking analogs. Only thing you might want to remember is that vaping normally doesnt hit your body as fast or as hard as an analog, so you can overdo it until you find that right level.

If you are concerned discuss it with your doctor, maybe bring a daily diary of measurements. Keeping a diary is how I made sure my diet was working, when the doctor took me off the blood pressure meds. Granted he may be skeptical like you, but remember if the choice is between vaping and smoking, vaping's got to have an edge.

 

[bliynd]

always in moderation.... you would kind of want to gauge it on how many analogs you smoked to start out... if you were smoking 2 packs a day... you'd be up for alot o nicotine... but its safer to stay with the lower dose nicotine i would assume, and eventually you could go to no nic..... just my

 

[duke118]

My pressure went down to normal since using a vaporizer,24mg is what I use and I vape all day.

 

[RIMP]

My pressure went down to normal since using a vaporizer,24mg is what I use and I vape all day.

Ditto to that Are you peeps with increased blood pressure still smoking too? There are alot of other chemicals/influences that can affect the bp. I use 18-35mg/ml at any given time
RIMP

 

[mini_art]

Mine went down too, I may eventually be able to stop taking meds for it now.
I havent heard any one say it went up, but many have said it went down on here.

 

[jwquantrell]

My pressure went down to normal since using a vaporizer,24mg is what I use and I vape all day.

Same here, my doctor was impressed with my blood pressure drop and I vape like crazy. I did vape 36mg/ml for the first month or so, but I am on 24mg/ml now.

 

[Slea]

Just went to the doc today -- BP down.

 

[dale5671]

Mine went down too, I may eventually be able to stop taking meds for it now.
I havent heard any one say it went up, but many have said it went down on here.

Hi, It's where I read it, on this forum, just lately. Like I said it raises for some but not for others.

 

[kushka]

I have high blood pressure - and I am on lisinopril for it, I take my meds at night, right before bed so I have not taken any for a day. After reading this thread, I thought I had better pull out my blood pressure monitor and check (I am suppose to check at least once a week, but I tend to forget) anyhow by bp is 107/66 which is excellent, usually the lowest it ever is is around 120-130 over 80-90.

 

[DemonCowboy]

i've read entire threads that are contradictory to the OP - maybe his wife was stressed for whatever reason, activity, anxiety, stress, and a host of other things affect blood pressure - maybe the OP should report back after multiple tests at different times? who knows, maybe there is, maybe there is a connection. I dunno - i just know I use 36mg and sometimes i have to smoke a cig in a stressful situation because for some reason even 36mg won't cut it

 

[VpnDrgn]

My bp has been borderline for years.( mostly from my weight )
95% of my smoking was done in the evening because I worked long hours and couldn't smoke in office. ( I didn't need a cig bad enough to go stand out in 100 degree weather )But, on the weekend I would smoke all day and get some monster headaches from the nic ( migraine level that usually ended in nausea and vomiting if I didn't stop smoking and go lay down for hours ) that pretty much ruined my weekends. Even though I started myself out kinda low on the nic ( 12mg, and yes I am still fighting cravings, especially in the evenings ) I quit smoking all together after only 3 days and the only headache I've had since ( 7 weeks ) was after cutting some 48mg down to 12mg for DIY.

Now, after that long intro, I guess my point is; Yes, nicotine can effect your bp ( it does constrict the blood vessels after all, this has been acknowledged for a long time ) but it doesn't effect everyone the same, and the great thing about vapeing is that, IMO, it provides a strong enough placebo effect combined with actual nicotine intake to allow a person to cut back on the nicotine more effectively.

 

[jj2]

Mine went down, even before I got off nicotine. Most know the danger though. Many vape low or no nicotine and use the strong stuff when the cravings hit big time.

 

[DemonCowboy]

some ppl use nicotine for other reasons though and this is simply a safer delivery method

 

[rothenbj]

Good possibility of high blood pressure because of too much nicotene. I've seen it here, my wifes' got elevated, haven't checked mine yet. Doesn't seem to affect all, but do they know it may be, without even knowing it? You can't know until you take the readings .......

Too much nicotene and Any for that matter is bad. Stroke, heart attack and conditions worse than smoking regular cigarettes, can be had in a VERY short time (like a ride in an ambulance) if not watched(monitored). You have to remember nicotene was one of the bigger reasons tobacco was bad(strong addictve drug).....

I stumbled on this chart from the CDC from 2006, It probably was part of their 2008 report since I found 2009's and they were using 2007 info. Unfortunately I haven't found the same data there. I have found the same report for then years 2007 and 2008, but they conveniently left out Table 2 and just supplied anti-smoking propaganda.

Cigarette Smoking Among Adults --- United States, 2006

To address your concerns about stroke and heart attacks, look at smoker attributable percentages versus ex-smokers and never smokers. In fact look over the chart in all categories. Remember the percentages they are using are based on the total number of cases not the percentage of a class- smoker vs ex-smoker vs never smoker.

Also remember that statistics are the art of the creator. An ex-smoker is anyone that ever smoked 100 cigarettes or more. That will include a great many in the population. You're talking five packs over a lifetime qualifies you as an ex-smoker. I've been trying to find out how many people in the population are designated ex-smokers. I still haven't come up with a number.

The other thing that is held in the deepest of secrecy is the method the government uses to relate health issues to smoking. I do know, based on what I've read, if you hit that 100 cigarette lifetime figure, you will count into their smoking related diseases somehow. Then they start adding more morbidity and mortality to the numbers from the never smoked category attributed to SHS.

There may be a higher percentage of the population between the smoker and ex-smoker groups than the never smoker group. Plus, if 37% of the heart attacks and 47% of the strokes come from the never smoked group, there are a lot of other factors that come into play.

Let's face it, time and genes are going to get you sooner or later either way. Just sayin

 

[Mitzfit]

Hi everyone My BP is good but my heart rate is to high even before stopping analogs. It's still hi I also can't sleep if a vape right up to bed time so I always use 0 nic after 8pm. Does anyone else have sleeping problems? I'm 5 months vaping, not one analog since I received my kit. So anyway how is your heart rates?

 

[AngeLsLuv]

I'm kinda confused..

What makes anyone believe that vaping "causes" high blood pressure anyway?? I mean that high blood pressure can be attributed to many problems and stress too..

 

[zelda]

I imagine if you use too much nicotine at too high a strength you could get high blood pressure. But you can do that chewing too much nicotine gum or lozenges or smoking too many cigarettes.

I don't think vaping you get that high a dose of nicotine anyways, It's a different method from cigarettes of getting nicotine.

 

[LynGBH]

Isn't high blood pressure treated with diuretics? I've heard, and I'm also finding this true for myself, that vaping dehydrates one's body a bit just as diuretics do. I'd been having some water retention puffiness before I started vaping and it's totally cleared up since I started. Is it possible that vaping may actually be helpful in lowering blood pressure for this reason?

BTW, this is not medical advice. I'm just suggesting a possibility.

Hugs,
Lyn

 

[zoiDman]

... Seems like how much to use isn't clear to a lot of people here. I see people vaping 36mg?? The nicotene patch was 25mg to start, timed released so it would last one day. When I tried them I could tell I was getting nicotene... a bit much for me. If you buy 20 mg nicotene of juice, in 1 ml there is 20mg of nicotene. This equates to about 20 drops to 1ml, depending on the viscosity of the liquid. An empy cartridge hold about 7 drops(the way I fill them). A little over two carts will be your 20 mg for the day.
I think a lot of people are getting way too much nicotene and are starting to look at it as a hobby, instead of a way to quit burning tobacco.
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There is one problem with your Math.

20mg a day in the above example is based on 100% absorption. I have read different figures as to nicotine absorption but the highest I have read is 25% of the total amount vaped.