sour vapes anyone know how?
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I was looking into this at one point, I believe what we are looking for is "malic acid" as I have seen it used in several sour flavors from e-smokey treats. This is the acid, along with citric acid, that gives jolly rancher(tm) their pucker. It's VERY potent stuff.
I found a supplier that supplies it by the pound and was thinking about getting some. I'm willing to split it up as I believe a pound is more than I will ever need for juice in a lifetime.
I found a supplier that supplies it by the pound and was thinking about getting some. I'm willing to split it up as I believe a pound is more than I will ever need for juice in a lifetime.
I might be willing to get in on the malic acid. Can you link or PM me the supplier so I can see what all they have?
Sure thing! Nature's Flavors : Malic Acid, kosher, gluten free, vegan, 100% Pure Food Grade. Granular Powder
It's cheap enough, but that darn shipping. They also sell it for beer and wine brewing, you can find it on e-bay. I might check out the local brew shop to see if they have any.
I found a supplier that supplies it by the pound and was thinking about getting some. I'm willing to split it up as I believe a pound is more than I will ever need for juice in a lifetime.[/QUOTE]
I will go in with you on a co-op! lets see if we can get 4 buyers and do 1\4 pound each
I will go in with you on a co-op! lets see if we can get 4 buyers and do 1\4 pound each
I had been looking at this place before, Essential Wholesale. They have some things that seem like they could be used as flavoring (and PG/VG), as well as malic acid.
1/2oz shipped UPS Ground is under $11, but a pound is around $20 shipped.
Do you know anything about the safety of vaping it or what % it dilutes in PG/PGA?
1/2oz shipped UPS Ground is under $11, but a pound is around $20 shipped.
Do you know anything about the safety of vaping it or what % it dilutes in PG/PGA?
Why not just try citric acid alone first and see how well that works?
I have some on hand, will play with it and let y'all know.
You can probably get citric acid at the grocery store or Wal-mart in the canning supplies section. Surely a health-food store would have it.
I have some on hand, will play with it and let y'all know.
You can probably get citric acid at the grocery store or Wal-mart in the canning supplies section. Surely a health-food store would have it.
@aprioristic Good Find, they have a lot of stuff I would find useful for soap making too.
Concerning safety of vaping, my research is incomplete. The only thing that I have found concerning it is the possibility of a certain type of pneumonia caused by high acidity in the lungs. Not aspiration pneumonia, which is all I'm getting now when I Google it.
Also, I've not been able to find any information about the solubility in PG. It's very soluble in water, and it usually holds true that anything that is soluble in water is more or less soluble in PG. I know it's already been done is about the best I have. I'll see if I can find specifics.
@Carless I've read that citric acid doesn't work so well. But don't let me stop you, I don't think citric acid will be quite sour enough to be effective without clogging your atty. Just my best guess.
Concerning safety of vaping, my research is incomplete. The only thing that I have found concerning it is the possibility of a certain type of pneumonia caused by high acidity in the lungs. Not aspiration pneumonia, which is all I'm getting now when I Google it.
Also, I've not been able to find any information about the solubility in PG. It's very soluble in water, and it usually holds true that anything that is soluble in water is more or less soluble in PG. I know it's already been done is about the best I have. I'll see if I can find specifics.
@Carless I've read that citric acid doesn't work so well. But don't let me stop you, I don't think citric acid will be quite sour enough to be effective without clogging your atty. Just my best guess.
I make a Sweet Tart flavored juice using PA blueberry extra & PA Red Cow mixture. Comes out with that tart taste.
I think both malic and citric acids are in tobacco smoke. I found this on citric, possible bronchioconstriction in animal tests, but are the proportions way off? I can't make much sense of it from a quick look. My feeling is that both are okay but I like to know more than just that e-smokey treats puts it in juice lol... Even though a lot of these flavorings are GRAS (generally recognized as safe) for ingestion, I don't think there is much research on them for inhalation.
I might just order on my own from EW, but I could still be in too. I was going to get around to contacting them about their tinctures. From the ingredients they seem like they would be fine as flavoring, just natural extracts/PG/PGA or something but it says not for food use. They seem to have regular specials but you have to look on their facebook too.
I've ordered some of the Malic Acid from Nature's Flavors and will let you know how it goes and possibly split it up. I think an ounce is going to amount to quite a bit (a ton!) for flavoring e-juice. We'll see
If anyone is interested please PM me and I'll get back with you when it arrives with details.
Seth
If anyone is interested please PM me and I'll get back with you when it arrives with details.
Seth
Just adding in my two cents here, I have not done research, however, I do know that Citric acid can cause tooth erosion (the enamel), and cause mouth sores in some people. If you are the type that gets mouth sores eating lemons, orange juice, or tomatoes, I would avoid using it in a vape product.
My results weren't that great. I tried mixing 1 tsp citric acid with 1 tsp of three different liquids: PG, PGA and Deionized water.
The only one that dissolved completely was the deionized water. The PG dissolved about 95% of the acid, but only after several blasts in the microwave for 5 seconds each time. I think a 1/1 ratio exceeds the saturation point by a little.
With PGA, it didn't dissolve very well at all, even after microwave treatment.
Both the water and PG mixtures tasted very sour on the tongue, I only tried vaping the water solution at 3 drops per ml of a raspberry lemonade DIY mix I had on hand.
Barely detected any sourness dripping it, so I gave up at that point, deciding that for me, the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze. I will leave further experimentation to those more motivated than I. I'm a noob still and only have three 510 atty's for my ego. If I had extras lying around, I might be more willing to possibly sacrifice one.
The only one that dissolved completely was the deionized water. The PG dissolved about 95% of the acid, but only after several blasts in the microwave for 5 seconds each time. I think a 1/1 ratio exceeds the saturation point by a little.
With PGA, it didn't dissolve very well at all, even after microwave treatment.
Both the water and PG mixtures tasted very sour on the tongue, I only tried vaping the water solution at 3 drops per ml of a raspberry lemonade DIY mix I had on hand.
Barely detected any sourness dripping it, so I gave up at that point, deciding that for me, the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze. I will leave further experimentation to those more motivated than I. I'm a noob still and only have three 510 atty's for my ego. If I had extras lying around, I might be more willing to possibly sacrifice one.
i like this to it really is cheap !!https://www.lorannoils.com/p-9000-tart-sour-flavor-boost.aspx
i make that to when i add the tart pucker to it kinda reminds me of a blueberry rockstar !! yum
At $1.95 per ounce, you can't afford not to buy it if you want sour. Thanks for pointing that out candy-9
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