Stainless steel mesh muting some flavors

[surferbill]

Hey all,

im using a Phoenix rebuildable with 32 gage nichrom on a vertical stainless wick, 325 mesh. Some flavors come out fine, others are weak and muted. I have a 4/5 wrap reading about 1.8 ohms vaping at about 4v on a provari. The coil looks fine, no hotspots or shorts. I tried the muted flavors on a Prebuilt atty and I could taste them a lot more. Any suggestions or ideas?

 

[PhreakySTS9]

It may be the SS mesh itself to be honest. Though everybody always raves how great juices taste on mesh (and generally they are correct), I have actually had a few juices that have less flavor in a genesis/ss wicked Phoenix, etc. This Hot Vapes Hazelnut Praline i'm vaping right now in my new BliSS is slightly muted compared to my Phoenix w/ cotton wick, and my Penelope(which I can't even use this juice in anymore because it gunks the coil completely up in like a single day, huge pain in the ....). Haven't found any cure myself except using it in one of my other devices.

 

[spraintz]

I recently had a long discussion about this very phenomenon with a fellow at a local vape meet.

We concluded that with a cotton or cheesecloth wick, more juice is surrounding the coils and allows the juice to taste a lil bit "sharper". We did some side by side testing and with the cotton type wicks (or even silica) you can taste a bit more tartness of say a strawberry type juice.

Personally, while the difference is detectable it is not enough to sway me from the super clean and uninterrupted flavor of SS mesh. With silica, cotton or the silica and mesh of a standard 510 atomizer I can always taste some artificial/intrusive tastes of these materials....with a SS mesh wick I never detect anything other than the juice.....unless of course I happen to run a lil dry but even then it doesn't "hang around" unlike some of the other wick materials.

Now, after this discussion and tasting the difference(as slight as it was) I went home and did some experimentation. I found that with less coils and a slightly lower voltage I was able to get more of the flavor and sharpness. With less coils around the wick, more juice is surrounding the wick and allowed more of the flavor to come through but with a slight drop in vapor production.

Of course taste is completely subjective and for me these difference were so small that it seems that some people just have incredibly sensitive taste buds.

Have fun finding the constantly changing "happy medium"

 

[nnote]

Most lilkely it didn't mute the juice, it's the actual juice flavor. Your just not getting the silica and gunk and stuff from vaping on other non SS items.

 

[vapdivrr]

never used a pheonix atty but on my DID atty, i find a better flavor with a lower resistance wire,( i use 28g ) and lower ohms & volts than with a higher set-up. i usaully do a 0.09 to 1.0 ohm coil @ around3.2 to 3.4 volts. good luck

 

[Rule62]

Hey all,

im using a Phoenix rebuildable with 32 gage nichrom on a vertical stainless wick, 325 mesh. Some flavors come out fine, others are weak and muted. I have a 4/5 wrap reading about 1.8 ohms vaping at about 4v on a provari. The coil looks fine, no hotspots or shorts. I tried the muted flavors on a Prebuilt atty and I could taste them a lot more. Any suggestions or ideas?

With a ss wick, you'll need to crank up your voltage beyond what you set it at for silica. With your above set up, you're only vaping at about 8.8 watts. That's not a lot for ss. For a long time I used only CE2 type clearos, and used to vape them at around 6.5 to 7.0 watts. With Genesis types, using ss wicks, I'll vape the same juice at 10.0 to 11.0 watts.

 

[Jimi D.]

SS is a tricky method on flavor. I can detect muted flavor when the resistance is off by one tenth. When there are no shorts, the flavor will sing with perfect harmony.

 

[surferbill]

thanks for all the replies all! i'll have to do some experimenting

With a ss wick, you'll need to crank up your voltage beyond what you set it at for silica. With your above set up, you're only vaping at about 8.8 watts. That's not a lot for ss. For a long time I used only CE2 type clearos, and used to vape them at around 6.5 to 7.0 watts. With Genesis types, using ss wicks, I'll vape the same juice at 10.0 to 11.0 watts.

wow I didn't know I could crank it that high. I've been using the safe vaping power chart and that's a little ways into the red zone. When it come to SS how do you know how much higher you can go vs a silica setup?

 

[Jimi D.]

thanks for all the replies all! i'll have to do some experimenting



wow I didn't know I could crank it that high. I've been using the safe vaping power chart and that's a little ways into the red zone. When it come to SS how do you know how much higher you can go vs a silica setup?

Until you get an error code if using a vv mod.

 

[surferbill]

Until you get an error code if using a vv mod.

yeah im using a provari. So if I crank it too high it will automatically not fire?

 

[spraintz]

Yes, the Provari has an amp limit of 3.5

 

[4matic]

I'm also getting this issue...I'm guessing it is from the hot spots?

 

[pdib]

I'm finding that with the Phoenix style RBA, my first few toots are flavorful and then it looses the bright notes. I've chalked this up (sort of mindlessly, without thinking too much about it) to the shape and size of the gadget and to condensation.

I don't have any of these flavor loss issues with the igo-l, regardless of wick type and build.