so I got a Griffin tank and built a coil it ended up being .31 watts brought to my vape shope to make sure I was wicking it correctly. The one guy told me to make sure the cotton when in the juice wells deep into them. The other guy advised to just have the cotton slightly in the juice wells. He sees my resistance .31 and says he would vape it at 80. Anything over 55 watts is tasting dry. I actually find when I'm vaping it at 45-50 is best. Also someone else said the voltage should dictate what you Vap at 3.2-4.8 volts. Is there a difference? I'm running this on the cuboid which self regulates anyways. Thanks. Any wicking building tips are appreciated.
Starting to realize more watts doesn't equal more flavor
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There comes a point where you just can't wick fast enough for the heat you are producing. Lots of people are having this issue with tanks. Either not enough air flow, or not enough wicking ability to be able to crank it up.
Tanks aren't drippers, you can't keep them saturated like a dripper either. Watch someone running a dripper at high wattage. Most have to drip every 2-4 pulls and carry around a 30ml, or larger, juice bottle to keep the wick wet.
Tanks aren't drippers, you can't keep them saturated like a dripper either. Watch someone running a dripper at high wattage. Most have to drip every 2-4 pulls and carry around a 30ml, or larger, juice bottle to keep the wick wet.
With pre made coils I feel like they can take more wattage no? But the flavor isn't as good as rba's.
theres pretty much a personal sweetspot for prebuilt coils / diy coils and its different from atty to atty, device to device. Endless possibilities, just requires patience and tinkering.
@rice721 tinkering is right holy moly!! With the Griffin which I have been trying to figure out all weekend. The guy wicked it for me where I bought it and he stuffed the juice wells. I got two amazing tanks out of it. Changed to a different flavor and went downhill. Watched a bunch of you tubes videos recommending to just leave the wick on top of the wells. Tried that and the first few puffs were great as far as flavor. Went to buy juice today at a different Vap shop and the guy there wicked it for me same as I did once before. Taking the ring off and putting the cotton just below the groove of that ring first few tanks amazing and it leaked a bit. I refilled it and became dull again!! What gives lol. Flavor seems to be coming back now.
Another part of the flavor issue is how well a particular atomizer makes vapor with good flavor. One of the rda's I got from fasttech is called an SV. I noticed comments that it was good at favor and decided to see for myself. Well it's so good at flavor I've stopped using my other atomizers. I use the SV's talent for flavor to reduce the flavoring in my DIY, down to 1.0-1.5%. I'm still getting good flavor. When I try that liquid in my other rda's there's almost no taste at all. The advantage of minimal flavoring is wicks and coils hardly gunk up at all so those get good flavor longer and need less maintenance and replacing.
All this is physics, not magic. I wish we had some principles that were good predictors for what setups are likely to produce better flavor. All my settings and hardware are below.
@sofarsogood thsts why I got the Griffin it came highly recommended as far as flavor and I am getting those nice flavors from it but I guess I haven't mastered it yet it's on and off. Most hits have flavor but some are way richer than others... I have a dual 8 wrap coil 2.5 diameter kanthal 24 gauge. 3.1 resistance and seems to be getting best flavor in the 40-47 watt range
airflow plays a part in flavor as well. At 40-47Watts you don't need everything wide open on the griffin (I have the 22mm with top airflow).
I too vape it at 40W with a similar build 8 wrap 24gauge 3mm IAD, wicked it to where it sits behind the ring. I have my top and bottom airflow half way.
Also I prefer smaller diameter drip tips as I find those to produce better flavor, maybe thats something you can also look into.
From the RTAs I've tried the Wotofo Serpent (single coil) and Wotofo Conqueror (dual coil) gives out great flavor, but both of them are more of a restricted direct lung type of tank, which I personally prefer. The Billow V2 and V3 are also RTAs that produce great flavor. These are just 4 RTAs that really wowed me in the flavor department out of the 20 that I own/tried.
I too vape it at 40W with a similar build 8 wrap 24gauge 3mm IAD, wicked it to where it sits behind the ring. I have my top and bottom airflow half way.
Also I prefer smaller diameter drip tips as I find those to produce better flavor, maybe thats something you can also look into.
From the RTAs I've tried the Wotofo Serpent (single coil) and Wotofo Conqueror (dual coil) gives out great flavor, but both of them are more of a restricted direct lung type of tank, which I personally prefer. The Billow V2 and V3 are also RTAs that produce great flavor. These are just 4 RTAs that really wowed me in the flavor department out of the 20 that I own/tried.
@rice721 very true I'll try with closing up the airflow. What wattage do u vape at and what resistance build do u usually use? Did the Griffin make the list was it one of the four? Online it comes across as the best you would think from all the research I did. I have the 22mm 3ml tank no top airflow just bottom should I still close it up?
When I had it I slapped in dual coil clap tons 26/32 prebuilt 3mm IAD came out to about 0.48 or 0.5. Vaped it around 40-45 W.
I think play around with the bottom airflow and see what u prefer since this is subjective.
The griffin didn't wow me as much as the serpent regular did.
I think play around with the bottom airflow and see what u prefer since this is subjective.
The griffin didn't wow me as much as the serpent regular did.
The OP asked abt tanks but the following holds.
While it is true that it is hard for the RDAs to keep up with the newer regulated mods, I have no issue whatsoever. I get great flavor and great clouds. You have to know what it is you are trying to do and how to get there. If you refuse to experiment to get where you need to go, you are going to be unhappy, unfulfilled, and buying a lot of gear that you do not need.
If you pull the top cap off and just wick the cotton down once, tighten everything back up, and vape you may find that quite a bit of your flavor is missing. You need to thoroughly soak the cotton and coil, as well as drop some fluid in to the reservoir below the coils/cotton. This may take 2 to 3 passes.
If you simply drip to where ea coil is located from above the drip tip, and then down the middle from above the drip tip, to where the coils connect (3 - half full drippers full of juice for those counting) you can get a great vape. Great flavor and great clouds. This is the fastest way to carry on with life.
I'm using a Twisted Messes Squared RDA, dual twisted Kanthal A1 coils reading at 0.33ohms, Koh Gen Do cotton, on a Sigelei 213 regulated device, and I'm vaping btw 110W to 175W.
While it is true that it is hard for the RDAs to keep up with the newer regulated mods, I have no issue whatsoever. I get great flavor and great clouds. You have to know what it is you are trying to do and how to get there. If you refuse to experiment to get where you need to go, you are going to be unhappy, unfulfilled, and buying a lot of gear that you do not need.
If you pull the top cap off and just wick the cotton down once, tighten everything back up, and vape you may find that quite a bit of your flavor is missing. You need to thoroughly soak the cotton and coil, as well as drop some fluid in to the reservoir below the coils/cotton. This may take 2 to 3 passes.
If you simply drip to where ea coil is located from above the drip tip, and then down the middle from above the drip tip, to where the coils connect (3 - half full drippers full of juice for those counting) you can get a great vape. Great flavor and great clouds. This is the fastest way to carry on with life.
I'm using a Twisted Messes Squared RDA, dual twisted Kanthal A1 coils reading at 0.33ohms, Koh Gen Do cotton, on a Sigelei 213 regulated device, and I'm vaping btw 110W to 175W.
As long as u can vape right away and get a nice vape withon 1.5 seconds you are at the right wattage, for me at least, i dont like taking 3-5 second pulls to get little vapor
Im at .75 now claptons at 35 watts and im getting excellent vapor and flavor
@Tommy-Chi I saturate my coils just like you mentioned above. I'm now taking longer deeper lung inhales and that seems to be working better
I had two tanks of great flavor just filled up now and getting weak flavor again! I'm running .31 2.5 mm Dual 8 wrap coils and 55 is the max after that I get dry hits. When it hits well I get great flavor. I was thinking of building 3mm dual 6 wraps kanthal wire 24 gauge. Hoping to get .25 resistance. Bigger diameter more cotton more flavor?
Yes, I would think so... bigger diameter coils, more cotton (should provide faster wicking), and fewer dry hits.
This is what it's all about. Get 'er dialed in! It's all just trial and error no matter what we buy.
This is what it's all about. Get 'er dialed in! It's all just trial and error no matter what we buy.
Thanks @Tommy-Chi . That's what I'm beginning to realize !Ive got so much to learn. I'm not even going to look or buy any other tank until I master this one been vaping it all evening and it's getting nicer! The deeper lung inhales are doing the trick . When I was vaping with prebuilt coils I wouldn't mind vaping different flavors through the same tank and coil. The first few puffs of the new juice obviously would taste off a bit but not bad and about ten puffs in the full flavor would come through. With the rba's do u have to rewick every time u change juice? Thanks again.
. That's what I'm beginning to realize !Ive got so much to learn. I'm not even going to look or buy any other tank until I master this one been vaping it all evening and it's getting nicer! The deeper lung inhales are doing the trick . When I was vaping with prebuilt coils I wouldn't mind vaping different flavors through the same tank and coil. The first few puffs of the new juice obviously would taste off a bit but not bad and about ten puffs in the full flavor would come through. With the rba's do u have to rewick every time u change juice? Thanks again.
Thanks @Tommy-Chi
I don't have any RBAs, I have two RDAs. An RBA would be a tank with rebuildable coils. An RDA is a deck that you drip into...it's primeval!
But it just works.With an RDA you replace the cotton when the wicking slows down and this may be for a number of reasons. If you run juice that gunks up the coil/cotton or simply use the cotton for a long time, you will need to replace it. I replace cotton as infrequently as I can...but when it stops wicking, I do it immediately. The only problem with rewicking is destroying the coil. You have to be careful as the coils are susceptible to damage.
I have a Griffin and love it! As a matter of fact I'm vaping one right now. I'm using 26 gauge SS316l, 7 wraps 3mm id, in temp control. The vape and flavor is very good. Here's what I've learned as far as wicking goes you want the wick no lower than that wick ring. I've had no problems vaping a 80 vg liquid if you pack the cotton it tends to dry hit, something Phil Busardo noticed.
I'm using 26 gauge SS316l, 7 wraps 3mm id, in temp control. The vape and flavor is very good. Here's what I've learned as far as wicking goes you want the wick no lower than that wick ring. I've had no problems vaping a 80 vg liquid if you pack the cotton it tends to dry hit, something Phil Busardo noticed.Thanks @Tommy-Chi I see! I don't think I'm ready for dropping yet. I hate the fact that there is no tank lol. I guess the grudging would be considered an rdta? @kbeam418 just built a coil at 3.5 mm 7 wraps it's .3 resistance hoping bigger diameter more cotton more flavor!? Thanks for the tip. Do u rewick with or without the ring on?
lol. I guess the grudging would be considered an rdta? @kbeam418 just built a coil at 3.5 mm 7 wraps it's .3 resistance hoping bigger diameter more cotton more flavor!? Thanks for the tip. Do u rewick with or without the ring on?- Status
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