Wow, as adults, THIS is the best we can do? No wonder most of the old timers just don't bother coming here much.
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My personal feelings regarding the aging of juice:
The three categories of juices; a) require no aging at all (the majority, maybe 75% of juices), b) improve slightly but noticeably after a week or two (maybe 20% of juices), and c) improve dramatically after 1-4 weeks of aging (about 5% of juices). Trying to put figures on this, I may be off.
Like taste, our individual perception of this may be different, so both sides are right. However, I think more people feel the way I do than feel that no juice ever changes after sitting in dark, room temperature storage for a while. Whatever the real answer is, it certainly isn't worth getting worked up over. Besides, if you don't agree with me, I know you're wrong, and that's all that matters
The three categories of juices; a) require no aging at all (the majority, maybe 75% of juices), b) improve slightly but noticeably after a week or two (maybe 20% of juices), and c) improve dramatically after 1-4 weeks of aging (about 5% of juices). Trying to put figures on this, I may be off.
Like taste, our individual perception of this may be different, so both sides are right. However, I think more people feel the way I do than feel that no juice ever changes after sitting in dark, room temperature storage for a while. Whatever the real answer is, it certainly isn't worth getting worked up over. Besides, if you don't agree with me, I know you're wrong, and that's all that matters
No, I think we can have this discussion without getting nasty. People sometimes forget their manners when they're typing, myself included.
All things considered, we don't have a whole lot of trolls here. However in the past few months I have seen a forum which I care a great deal about be taken over by:
Armchair physicians and chemists
Entitlement Queens
And people who just like the sound of their own voice.
Sorry to sound cranky, as there are so many people who are actively trying to improve the forums, and those who seek LOGICAL, REAL help (that includes you Vapenstein, you are at the top of the heap of the good guys who are just trying to get the word out).
Anyhow, rant over....I think I need a hostess cupcake.
Armchair physicians and chemists
Entitlement Queens
And people who just like the sound of their own voice.
Sorry to sound cranky, as there are so many people who are actively trying to improve the forums, and those who seek LOGICAL, REAL help (that includes you Vapenstein, you are at the top of the heap of the good guys who are just trying to get the word out).
Anyhow, rant over....I think I need a hostess cupcake.
All things considered, we don't have a whole lot of trolls here. However in the past few months I have seen a forum which I care a great deal about be taken over by:
Armchair physicians and chemists
Entitlement Queens
And people who just like the sound of their own voice.
Sorry to sound cranky, as there are so many people who are actively trying to improve the forums, and those who seek LOGICAL, REAL help (that includes you Vapenstein, you are at the top of the heap of the good guys who are just trying to get the word out).
Anyhow, rant over....I think I need a hostess cupcake.
I'm new to vaping, but I'm not new to a forum that blew up very quickly, with a lot of people who want help or give help.
I left a forum over the summer that went from 1,000 to 60,000 people; you'll run into this when a 'fad' moves beyond being a fad and being something tangible. People want to say, "Hey I was part of that". Mix that in with the common cockiness of human beings and forums go ... up, face down in the port-a-potty.
I've read no less than 4 posts in the past ten minutes that included some sort of shenanigans, but I've also read no less than 100 posts in the past 2 days that have helped me figure out my equipment/juices/techniques,etc.
Overall, it's a good forum as long as you come in remembering that it is a forum. I've realized very quickly that vaping is a lifestyle, not just something we do and it's understandable that people get testy, especially when it's on the verge of becoming something very big. We need people to work hard and get the word out in a positive way and I think this forum has those people.
It's easy to glaze over the jerks when they are mostly ignored; it gets harder to ignore them when polls and other posts are put up because of them.
Just remember trolls only come back when we keep feeding them.
I hope you're not calling me a troll or any of the veterans that have posted in this thread. I've spent the last year helping the vaping community and teaching newbs how to DIY. Many can attest to the fact that veterans have made this forum. It seems recently there have been the attention-needers that come on here after vaping a short time and all of the sudden are experts. It gets annoying, especially when much in their posts and videos are nonsense. Then the veterans that actually know what they are talking about are called trolls???????
Nope, if I wanted to call anyone a troll, I would do so by name.
I appreciate the help of the people who have been here a long time and I will continue to do so.
My implication should have been better laid, I apologize for the misconception; I was referencing newer members who assume they know everything there is to know. That really goes for any forum situation and that's what I was really getting at.
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Gooddog: I'm not trying to start anything, so it's best just to clarify when I'm misunderstood
Give it up already!
Seriously, it's just the brain playing tricks, shake it up plenty, it's ready to go next day if not sooner.
Try giving up sugar in your tea or coffee...yuk!, then talk to me in a couple of weeks.
I bring this good news just in time for the holidaze
Sorry no.
VaporBomb dropped a free sample ( 5ml ) of their french vanilla into one of my very first juice orders ever. Surprised by the freebie, I fired it up to see what it tasted like, Taste was fine but there was a horrible chemical burning feel in my throat. It sickened me.
Tried it again the next day on a different atty thinking maybe it was my gear and got the same effect. I thought that it was poisoning me it was so bad.
Tried it again a week later chemical burn gone, left with only the wonderful taste and tremendous vapor. Vaporbomb...French vanilla...steeped and awesome. Now I cannot recommend that juice enough...as long as you let it steep a week.
I had a simular issue with a customize your own juice I ordered from Tasty vapor. It was good on day one but a week later it was a ton better. One of the flavors got stronger making the others less prominent and it really saved the juice for me. I wasnt happy with it when I first got it.
In each case, I expected the juice to be the same as my previous tastings. So if it was all in my head, I wouldnt have liked it, not discovered that it was actually pretty good.
For the record - sugarless tea is effin delicious. It's the only way I ever drink it
All I can say about this is I totally disagree and know what happens with time on them for sure.Give it up already!
Seriously, it's just the brain playing tricks, shake it up plenty, it's ready to go next day if not sooner.
Try giving up sugar in your tea or coffee...yuk!, then talk to me in a couple of weeks.
I bring this good news just in time for the holidaze
I make my own flavors and juice too, for about a year now.
Okay folks I've made my decision and it's final...compromise,
Here's the deal, I'll give you 4 days, that's it, take it or leave it
This is truly a subject tainted by opinion. I only wish that some of the advice I have received to this point had not been shared. Cap and dropper off. Never store in the dark. Always refrigerate. Where are the chemistry students? But then again, even laboratory results can be incorrect. All I know is that if the juice doesn't taste good at first try, don't throw it away. Give it some time. Some juices do change. Whether it's our own minds or actual metamorphosis doesn't really matter if the juice doesn't get wasted.
-1. lol. Even if steeping is a bunch of baloney, I don't think people put up videos and incorrect information to be "attention-needers". Like you, I think that they are simply passionate about vaping and naturally wish to share their findings even if they happen to be incorrect. However, I must say that you are pretty good at making your opinion sound like a fact, so +1 for that. "Veteran".
I mainly DIY, but bought plenty in the past. I mix up a new batch at least 1 week before I need it, because it doesn't taste as good when it's freshly mixed. The color darkens A LOT, and the flavor improves. I leave them capped and out of direct light.
Steeping is definitely needed for some liquids. If you don't believe me - get some BWB Casablanca and vape it that day. It'll be a little bland with some over powering cocoa flavor and it's ok. Set it aside for two weeks and then come back to it. The difference is night and day. His flue cured juices are like this also. I've also notice that the colors change for some as well.
Some juices don't do this - but seriously, steeping has a pretty obvious and profound affect on some juices. With other it doesn't seem to matter. If I wasn't bored, I wouldn't even have bothered posting this because it is so obvious for some juices.
Yes, I'm a forum nub.
Some juices don't do this - but seriously, steeping has a pretty obvious and profound affect on some juices. With other it doesn't seem to matter. If I wasn't bored, I wouldn't even have bothered posting this because it is so obvious for some juices.
Yes, I'm a forum nub.
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This is so funny. How about this ?...
Leave your milk or oj out for a week. Then drink it. Taste different?
Anyway. Wine. Yes it ferments. But like any taste. It's subjective. Most vineyards will admit that after 5 years, it's a toss up as far as flavor goes. So. Too much can be too much.
For all you looking for a chemist. Well. Not me. But I can tell you this. Similar agents bond. Dissimilar agents repel. Some things evaporate (convert to a gasious state) at lower temperatures than others. All the crap in the flavorings is usually not from the thing you want to taste. It's not a mango in there. Is stuff that smells like mango. I'm rambling. A lot of that crap is preservatives and liquefiers. And sweeteners. And ect etc. The PG and VG will absorb extra moisture over time. The additives that make the flavoring more liquidy will evaporate quicker than anything else. These reactions will change the viscosity, color and flavor of your juice.
Be honest. You think that banana will still vape great and taste like mrs chaquita in 10 years? Heck no. So why wouldn't the flavor change in 10 days.
My new juice tastes like the inside of a hot muffler today. But once some of the additives go bye bye. The taste comes out. The flavorings hang around longer.
Or don't believe me. Or get a text book. Or put some olive oil in a cup of water and leave it out on your counter for a week or so. How much water is left and how much oil is left. It's high school chemistry. Not a secret science of the dark ages revealed.
Thanks though.
Leave your milk or oj out for a week. Then drink it. Taste different?
Anyway. Wine. Yes it ferments. But like any taste. It's subjective. Most vineyards will admit that after 5 years, it's a toss up as far as flavor goes. So. Too much can be too much.
For all you looking for a chemist. Well. Not me. But I can tell you this. Similar agents bond. Dissimilar agents repel. Some things evaporate (convert to a gasious state) at lower temperatures than others. All the crap in the flavorings is usually not from the thing you want to taste. It's not a mango in there. Is stuff that smells like mango. I'm rambling. A lot of that crap is preservatives and liquefiers. And sweeteners. And ect etc. The PG and VG will absorb extra moisture over time. The additives that make the flavoring more liquidy will evaporate quicker than anything else. These reactions will change the viscosity, color and flavor of your juice.
Be honest. You think that banana will still vape great and taste like mrs chaquita in 10 years? Heck no. So why wouldn't the flavor change in 10 days.
My new juice tastes like the inside of a hot muffler today. But once some of the additives go bye bye. The taste comes out. The flavorings hang around longer.
Or don't believe me. Or get a text book. Or put some olive oil in a cup of water and leave it out on your counter for a week or so. How much water is left and how much oil is left. It's high school chemistry. Not a secret science of the dark ages revealed.
Thanks though.
Hilarious : )
My $.02, which Im sure you're all dying to hear, is that steeping is a very real thing. FYI, I'm not new to vaping (New Year's Eve 2009) despite my ECF join-date. All juices change (as stated above, it's very basic chemistry). I don't DIY, but my vendor-of-choice (BWB) mixes his juices as they're ordered. Most flavors are not ready when they first arrive in the mail. After a few weeks, the flavor drastically changes. In some cases, the color does too.
I haven't experienced this with other vendors... I've tried a great many vendors, but certainly not all.
What an enticing discussion... I love finding these gems amongst the rocks here on ECF. I'm subscribing, carry on : D
If steeping works, then keeping it in that little plastic squeeze bottle can't help. I wonder perhaps i should squeeze out all the juice and put it onto a dish and heat it up a bit??
I want to order my juices from FreedomsmokeUSA but i want them.. aged. Any idea on how to do this effectively?
I want to order my juices from FreedomsmokeUSA but i want them.. aged. Any idea on how to do this effectively?
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