Steeping??? Or just Horrible Juices?

[mikeaq]

I've been vaping for just about a month now. Smoking 1 cigarette a day just because I cut down from a pack a day. I've got an itaste vv 3 with a protank & a mini protank 2 that I alternate between. I love the setup, no complaints at all there. My problem has been finding what juices I like.

When I get new juice, almost every time, the taste is off or too weak when they mix it themselves while I'm there. I've steeped a bunch of em with the hot water method about 5 times but they still were weak. One of the juices I got I sampled it at the place & decided to get it with an extra flavor shot, it was supposed to be a blood orange, mango, pineapple, strawberry combination & it tastes like straight up A1 sauce even stronger after steeping for a month.

When I get pre-bottled juices it's always good to go, but even then some of the flavors taste extremely weak.

My question is, how do I know which juices would benefit from steeping and which ones just won't get better?
Can anyone recommend a strong tasting flavor or a place to order them from that won't mess up making the juice?

 

[Arnie H]

Welcome and congrats on cutting down on smoking. One thing I've noticed, and this has got to be just my imagination, is when I try a juice at a local B&M using their testers/tasters it tastes divine. When I get it home and put it in my own tank or dripper, not so much.

If you steep a juice for a long enough period of time, and its not getting any better, then its a good bet it won't. I've noticed the juices I make will darken and turn amber in color, after shaking and steeping. To me, this is a good indication the juice is "ready" to vape.


Cinnamon/hot cinnamon and Menthol/mint are both generally strong flavors. Both provide strong natural throat hits.

 

[Vap3Stone]

Im guessing "steeping" is the vape juice equivalent to like alcohol fermentation? I'm gonna get into making my own juices and I understand the whole mixing process just not the whole steeping element. Is there certain flavors or ingredients that are gonna need time to settle before reaching their full flavor potential?

 

[Enoch777]

I've found that flavor is an elusive and dubious quality in vapor. It just depends on TOO MANY THINGS to say "Buy this juice and BAM! You're good to go."

Yes, a good quality juice is definitely high up there in priority if that's what you're looking for. It also depends what flavor it is. How long has it steeped. What ratio. What coil setup are you using. What ohms is the coil. What wick are you using. Does that wick perform well. Is that coil & wick clean. What kind of airflow do you got going on. What wattage or voltage it tastes best with. Are you using sub ohm or micro coils. What mods/batteries do you have. What mod/battery does it taste best on. Is it fully charged. On... and on...

Depending on what answer might be filled in the blanks for one can entirely change the correct answer for another. It's complicated to say the least. It can also be uncomplicated. See where the elusive part starts to play in?

You might have a juice, from a particular vendor, that tastes GREAT in a BCC on an eGo Twist at 4.1 volts. That same juice might be over-powering, or underwhelming, on a completely different setup. In retrospect it makes all these recommendations very ... user specific... what really matters the most is YOU. Find something you like and stick with it. Get a few flavors you really enjoy, dial in that sweet spot however you need to do so, and don't change a thing. Unless you are feeling experimental, of course!

It requires a lot of fiddling around until you find that spot you are happy and cozy sitting in. Or preferably laying in, like a hammock

/rant over

In answer to your question, MtBakerVapor seems like a pretty good option for buying juice. They offer flavor shots that border on the extreme and a ridiculously sized menu. People have gotten too many flavor shots to find that their juice is WAY too strong. I can't really offer any advice what juice to get, how many flavor shots, etc... but they offer a lot of customization and have great prices and quite a few lovers. Worth a try.
Check out MtBakerVapor Mega Thread for some suggestions on specifics like how flavor shots will effect a bottle, what flavors are recommended, and so fourth.

I think if you could get a strong flavored juice that you enjoy and works well with your setup it would be vastly more simple than heading into rebuildables.

Best luck on your journey

 

[mikeaq]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. It never tastes as good or even close to the sample. I think I'm just going to avoid the place from now on. I got pineapple from him and when I got home it smelled and tasted like toothpaste. He must not know what he's doing.

 

[Vap3Stone]

Do they not let you sample their flavors first? Cause if they're mixed at the shop sounds like a bit of a gamble.. lol

 

[Jazzi Mike]

I guess there are a few things to consider here. Where are you ordering juice from? I noticed some weak flavors when I ordered from some bargain vendors, particularly ECF Blends.

Personally, I have noticed that steeping does not make flavors more intense, but kind of let's them mix together. It is like a recipe: you sometimes let the flavors get to know each other, not making one more intense, but mixing. So when you get a juice that tastes too perfume-y, it often takes steeping to mix and soften up.

 

[JRock]

i've found most juices with simple flavors (in other words single flavor, not complex multi-flavor type juices) don't really change much after steeping a couple weeks. once you get into combination flavors or tobaccos steeping usually helps to blend the two (or more) flavors together a bit.

case in point - spiced pear juice that i had from a local vendor here, at first without steeping, it was redhot cinnamon flavor with a hint of pear on exhale. put it away for a while as it didn't taste anything like the tester i had tried in the store and forgot about it for about three weeks. found it when i was running low on other juices and the juice itself turned from a clear liquid to a light green color. tried it and wow! the pear flavor was much more prominent, and the cinnamon flavor had toned down alot.

Tobacco flavors usually are ok straight from the mix, but improve heavily after steeping even a few days.

now if you really don't like the juice early on, there is a chance it will improve, but more often than not it will still taste the same just with a different intensity placed on some of the notes in the flavor.

the other thing i've noticed is with different juice delivery methods, you get much different results. I had an RY4 which was much too intense on clearomizers (and RBA/RDA's for that matter) but in a cartomizer it tasted perfect. possibly the flavor was muted just the right amount by the carto and the offending notes were toned down enough that it was a bearable vape.

 

[Bravesfan]

I have tried juices from quite a few vendors now and found that most of the ones I have gotten that didn't taste good right out of the box really improved with steeping. If they still don't taste good after 2 months, I will put them back for emergencies only and if they are just plain nasty after the two month steeping, I usually pitch them. Haven't thrown but a couple away but they were terrible! Sometimes it is so hard to wait for the steeping process though when you are waiting for a juice that you love. The whole juice thing can be downright frustrating at time.

Cindy

 

[SavageClouds]

I don't believe in steeping. We are doing vendors jobs for them


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[joemar4]

I don't believe in steeping. We are doing vendors jobs for them


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I'm pretty new to vaping and so far, I'm picking things up and getting great advice. What I'm not sure of is "Steeping". Could someone explain to me what that is? When I think of steeping, I think of when I make a cup of tea! lol.

Also, I hear people saying they "Drip" a so and so juice. Is that just another way of saying they inhale a juice? Please excuse me if my questions sound stupid or obvious. Like I said, trying to learn about all this.

Thanks!

 

[nobreak1970]

Yeah it works and all, but I don't have the time to steep juices because I'm poor.
I have to buy a juice and vape it.

 

[nobreak1970]

There are no stupid questions. Dripping is when you literally drip a few drops onto what is called an atomizer. It's just a different way to vape, and it makes sampling a juice you buy for flavor very easy without filling an entire tank up.

 

[joemar4]

There are no stupid questions. Dripping is when you literally drip a few drops onto what is called an atomizer. It's just a different way to vape, and it makes sampling a juice you buy for flavor very easy without filling an entire tank up.

Oh, ok. Well that just helped me a lot! I was wondering how I could sample a flavor without filling a tank and you just answered that for me. I appreciate it. I got an answer to a question that I was really interested in by asking a question about something else. I like that! Thanks again!

 

[evan le'garde]

I figure the entropy level is off the scale. I'd try and concoct my own version of a flavour rather than try to copy another.

 

[nobreak1970]

I forgot to add a link showing you a drip atomizer lol.

Low Resistance (LR) Atomizer - 306

There are many many types and this is just one.

 

[spaceballsrules]

I'm pretty new to vaping and so far, I'm picking things up and getting great advice. What I'm not sure of is "Steeping". Could someone explain to me what that is? When I think of steeping, I think of when I make a cup of tea! lol.

Also, I hear people saying they "Drip" a so and so juice. Is that just another way of saying they inhale a juice? Please excuse me if my questions sound stupid or obvious. Like I said, trying to learn about all this.

Thanks!

Here is a comprehensive guide to steeping that explains it all - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...you-wanted-know-about-steeping-then-some.html

 

[joemar4]

I forgot to add a link showing you a drip atomizer lol.

Low Resistance (LR) Atomizer - 306

There are many many types and this is just one.

Ok, another question....So, I would use this in place of my clearomizer? I'm using an Evod with a Protank mini II.

 

[joemar4]

Here is a comprehensive guide to steeping that explains it all - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...you-wanted-know-about-steeping-then-some.html

Excellent! Thanks Spaceballsrules!......love your avatar!! Jack is the man!

 

[Train2]

Problem is, if a vendor wants to have say 50 flavors. Now add 0 nic, 6 mg, 12 mg, 18 mg and 24 mg. Now add say 4 options for the PG/VG ratio. You are now asking a small business - maybe a VERY small business - to stock 1000 items, all "aged" just right.
It's not possible for them.
And SOME juice just doesn't taste right for a week or two.
I am surprised some vendors don't "speed-steep" (with an ultrasonic/heat approach) each days' orders prior to shipping...that might work.
And there are a couple vendors that have "pre-steeped" juice - they typically have just a few flavors, and NO CHOICE on the PG/VG. So they can make in bulk, and let it sit before selling.

I don't believe in steeping. We are doing vendors jobs for them


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