sterile cotton ?

[BrushyHillGuide]

I've used sterile gauze. There is a bit of hydrogen peroxide on it that you can taste for a puff or two. I don't know if sterile cotton is the same but I suspect it is.

I've used organic cotton and liked it when I was using it. I have now been using Graham Cellucotton rayon for about half a year I think. I've never seen anything I believed that indicates it's any worse than cotton. It does however wick faster than cotton which is great. You have to put more into a coil than with cotton though or performance drops, the opposite of cotton.

Koh Gen Do cotton is said to be just as fast at wicking as rayon but I haven't tried it myself.

I think you are mistaken. When a product is marked "sterile" I means that it has been run through an autoclave. This is a glorified pressure cooker that uses steam and pressure to sterilize. Hydrogen peroxide does not "sterilize" anything. It's a cleaning product that does not meet medical industry or regulatory standards for "sterilization." Not to mention the fact that hydrogen peroxide evaporates and degrades so there would be no benefit to applying it to packaged gauze.

I'm not discounting that you found gauze distasteful as a wick but it wasn't hydrogen peroxide nor the fact that it was "sterile" that caused the flavor issue. Just figured I'd clarify before people start shying away from "sterile cotton" for fear it'll produce a nasty flavor. It won't. I've used it, as have many, with great success. That said, I use (and prefer) Japanese cotton (KGD) and rayon - I find them easier to work with, longer lasting and better at wicking. Especially for really low (.2 and below) ohm builds.


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[iamthevoice]

Actually, bandaging and related materials are radiation-sterilized! It's faster, and does not damage packaging like steam can!

 

[skoony]

Yes, but that doesn't mean one can't taste them...

yes it does.
there is not any thing there to activate your taste buds.
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

I think you are mistaken. When a product is marked "sterile" I means that it has been run through an autoclave. This is a glorified pressure cooker that uses steam and pressure to sterilize. Hydrogen peroxide does not "sterilize" anything. It's a cleaning product that does not meet medical industry or regulatory standards for "sterilization." Not to mention the fact that hydrogen peroxide evaporates and degrades so there would be no benefit to applying it to packaged gauze.

I'm not discounting that you found gauze distasteful as a wick but it wasn't hydrogen peroxide nor the fact that it was "sterile" that caused the flavor issue. Just figured I'd clarify before people start shying away from "sterile cotton" for fear it'll produce a nasty flavor. It won't. I've used it, as have many, with great success. That said, I use (and prefer) Japanese cotton (KGD) and rayon - I find them easier to work with, longer lasting and better at wicking. Especially for really low (.2 and below) ohm builds.


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hydrogen peroxide is used to bleach the cotton.
regards
mike

 

[BrushyHillGuide]

hydrogen peroxide is used to bleach the cotton.
regards
mike

Oh, ok. Gotcha. That makes sense. I would have thought it would have been rinsed post-bleaching; but I have no clue and that sounds reasonable. So, it's not the "sterility" that is the problem, it's the fact that it's pure white. Still, I personally don't get any bad taste with any cotton balls.

I do appreciate the explanation of why it (peroxide) may be on the gauze pads.

So, do you get the same flavor issue with cotton balls that pure white? I never worried much about "organic" because it's so often a hoax with foods, but I'm curious whether the "organic" cotton balls are ever pure white; and, if they are, whether that flavor issue exists? I ask because you could put "organic" on a cotton ball that was bleached with anything, since the term organic only applies to the method by which the cotton was grown - not its treatment after leaving the field.

Just curious from an educational standpoint. I'm happy with what I use and won't be changing; but I find all this stuff fascinating.


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[jonnychadootz]

Using distilled water for the boil?

Tried organic/regular cotton with and with out distilled water, multiple boils/dry cycles) same result (also, silica which I'm sure ever1 has used at 1 point) After gauze pads were suggested I was hesitant at 1st. To me the FA gauze wicks quicker, tastes cleaner (actually there is no taste (in terms of material) Just pure vapey goodness in tank form If any1 plans on using these just make sure you get the 1's with out that thin plastic (think its cellulose) liner. Would not make for an enjoyable xp

 

[stevegmu]

yes it does.
there is not any thing there to activate your taste buds.
regards
mike

I just chewed on a cotton ball. It had a flavor to it...

 

[LMS62]

If anyone is interested in the Koh Gen Do cotton, sephora.com has a 60 pad box for $12.00.

 

[VHRB2014]

Well,

I`m finding out that cotton is best for tobaccos. Its has a cleaner more natural taste and does`nt artificially sweeten it up the way rayon does. Likewise, I`m finding out that rayon is best for sweeter flavors (fruits and deserts), it does add an extra sweetness to sweet juices and does offer faster wicking for more vapor. That`s were rayon shines if you leave your tails short and just use bridge wicks that stop right at the deck, nothing to collect juice and let it pool.

I have started boiling both because when I do boil and prime properly I can discern no pre taste on either. If I don`t boil, it is often a crap shoot with some pre taste that Iv grown tired of.

Im still learning but that`s where I`m at right now. :?)

 

[Ryedan]

I think you are mistaken. When a product is marked "sterile" I means that it has been run through an autoclave. This is a glorified pressure cooker that uses steam and pressure to sterilize. Hydrogen peroxide does not "sterilize" anything. It's a cleaning product that does not meet medical industry or regulatory standards for "sterilization." Not to mention the fact that hydrogen peroxide evaporates and degrades so there would be no benefit to applying it to packaged gauze.

You're making a lot of sense here BrushyHillGuide, so I did some digging around. Didn't find much detail, but I have two reasons to think that additives are sometimes used along with irradiation and heat.

Two quotes from What Is Sterilized Gauze?:

"Sterilized gauze has been treated with irradiation, chemicals, or heat to kill micro-organisms to make it suitable for dressing wounds and for absorbing body fluids."

"It is also common to find sterilized dressing that is treated with an antibiotic or antiseptic."

Dressing (medical) at Wikipedia:

"However, modern dressings[2] include gauze (which may be impregnated with an agent designed to help sterility or to speed healing), films, gels, foams, hydrocolloids, alginates, hydrogels and polysaccharide pastes, granules and beads. Many gauze dressings have a layer of nonstick film over the absorbent gauze to prevent the wound from adhering to the dressing. Dressings can be impregnated with antiseptic chemicals, as in boracic lint or where medicinal castor oil was used in the first surgical dressings. Bioelectric dressings such as Procellera can be effective in attacking certain antibiotic-resistant bacteria[4] and speeding up the healing process."

So it seems there could be all kinds of 'stuff' on sterile gauze.

I'm not discounting that you found gauze distasteful as a wick but it wasn't hydrogen peroxide nor the fact that it was "sterile" that caused the flavor issue. Just figured I'd clarify before people start shying away from "sterile cotton" for fear it'll produce a nasty flavor. It won't. I've used it, as have many, with great success. That said, I use (and prefer) Japanese cotton (KGD) and rayon - I find them easier to work with, longer lasting and better at wicking. Especially for really low (.2 and below) ohm builds.

I didn't say I minded the taste, I actually enjoyed it. Other people might not feel the same way though

In future I will stay away from it. I didn't mind inhaling a tiny bit of hydrogen peroxide if that was what it actually was (sure smelled like it), but who knows what it actually was and what else could be on it.

I've been using rayon now for a while and will not be changing to anything else unless it turns out it's not safe.

 

[Ryedan]

hydrogen peroxide is used to bleach the cotton.
regards
mike

Yes and if I remember correctly caustic soda is also used in processing cotton, but if done correctly none of these chemicals will remain on the cotton. I've never tasted or smelled anything like the sterile gauze I used.

 

[BrushyHillGuide]

You're making a lot of sense here BrushyHillGuide, so I did some digging around. Didn't find much detail, but I have two reasons to think that additives are sometimes used along with irradiation and heat.

Two quotes from What Is Sterilized Gauze?:

"Sterilized gauze has been treated with irradiation, chemicals, or heat to kill micro-organisms to make it suitable for dressing wounds and for absorbing body fluids."

"It is also common to find sterilized dressing that is treated with an antibiotic or antiseptic."

Dressing (medical) at Wikipedia:

"However, modern dressings[2] include gauze (which may be impregnated with an agent designed to help sterility or to speed healing), films, gels, foams, hydrocolloids, alginates, hydrogels and polysaccharide pastes, granules and beads. Many gauze dressings have a layer of nonstick film over the absorbent gauze to prevent the wound from adhering to the dressing. Dressings can be impregnated with antiseptic chemicals, as in boracic lint or where medicinal castor oil was used in the first surgical dressings. Bioelectric dressings such as Procellera can be effective in attacking certain antibiotic-resistant bacteria[4] and speeding up the healing process."

So it seems there could be all kinds of 'stuff' on sterile gauze.



I didn't say I minded the taste, I actually enjoyed it. Other people might not feel the same way though

In future I will stay away from it. I didn't mind inhaling a tiny bit of hydrogen peroxide if that was what it actually was (sure smelled like it), but who knows what it actually was and what else could be on it.

I've been using rayon now for a while and will not be changing to anything else unless it turns out it's not safe.

Thanks for those links. That's pretty interesting. Only reason I know a little about the sterilization stuff is that I spent 15 years as a tattoo artist (of some renown) and studio owner and we had to focus on sterilization and aeseptic procedures. We were heavily regulated by the state; and required to undergo pretty extensive training to insure the safety of clients.

I'm a recent convert to rayon and I'm really liking it.

I hear ya on the "unless it turns out it's not safe" thing. Speaking of that, and not to get too far off track, have you heard about that ongoing juice study by a Dr. Farsalinos or seen any of his past studies? It's getting a little scary.


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[TyPie]

After all is said and done, I think I'll just be sticking with my Peaches & Cream cotton yarn for now. Inexpensive, plentiful / easy to find, and works well.

 

[stevegmu]

Yarn has all kinds of stuff in it. I was reading a study a while ago linking respiratory problems in children to cotton baby-wear made in PRC...

 

[Ryedan]

I hear ya on the "unless it turns out it's not safe" thing. Speaking of that, and not to get too far off track, have you heard about that ongoing juice study by a Dr. Farsalinos or seen any of his past studies? It's getting a little scary.

I've read all his work I could get my eyes on . Great stuff and I'm not overly worried about it. Looking forward to his higher power vaping results as this is something I do. From one post Dr. Farsalinos made on ECF, IMO that's looking pretty good so far.

I've been around since March 2012. I've seen people get really worried about the safety of SS mesh, silica wick, cotton wick, VG and PG purity, Kanthal, batteries exploding, vaping at more than 20 watts, vaping at more than 50 watts, acrolein, diacetyl, I could go on but I think you get the idea

Now, I'm all for maximizing safety and for talking about health issues, but I try to work with facts and try to keep things in perspective. If I stopped doing anything that could hurt me I don't think I would have a life left I would want to live.

 

[zahzoo]

Oh, ok. Gotcha. That makes sense. I would have thought it would have been rinsed post-bleaching; but I have no clue and that sounds reasonable. So, it's not the "sterility" that is the problem, it's the fact that it's pure white. Still, I personally don't get any bad taste with any cotton balls.

I do appreciate the explanation of why it (peroxide) may be on the gauze pads.

So, do you get the same flavor issue with cotton balls that pure white? I never worried much about "organic" because it's so often a hoax with foods, but I'm curious whether the "organic" cotton balls are ever pure white; and, if they are, whether that flavor issue exists? I ask because you could put "organic" on a cotton ball that was bleached with anything, since the term organic only applies to the method by which the cotton was grown - not its treatment after leaving the field.

Just curious from an educational standpoint. I'm happy with what I use and won't be changing; but I find all this stuff fascinating.


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Cotton in it's pure natural state on the plant before picking... both organically grown or not... is pure white. Locate a cotton field anywhere on earth near picking time and it's a beautiful sea of white!! Google it if you aren't near any agricultural area...

 

[stevegmu]

Cotton balls are made from gin trash and end up brown, so are then whitened with peroxide...

 

[dhood]

Are these considered Koh Gen Do japanese organic cotton? Or are they a knockoff?

Amazon.com: Cotton Labo ORGANIC Cotton Puff Size M (200pc): Health & Personal Care

 

[ImThatGuy]

Looks legit to me...