Stick with my boge cartos, or go with the E2 mod MAP tank?

[johnnydotexe]

I just got in to the whole e-cig thing barely a week ago. My base gear consists of two eGo 650mAH batteries, eGo USB passthrough and eGo USB rapid charger. I picked up two 5packs of the boge 510 cartomizers to get me started. My currently-liked juices are from FSUSA, their 24mg 50/50 blends.

I'm wondering if these cartomizers are holding me back from a better vape with better flavor. Plus these cartos don't seem too solidly built, after using the walgreens syringe flush method I'm noticing the center tube gets damaged or something which restricts airflow. I think the force of the water going through it during cleaning is maybe tearing it. I can't imagine they'd last through many more cleanings.

Anyways, I found the 510 E2 mod MAP tanks on cloudsofvapor and thought that would be a good route to go, would look dumb on my eGo batts but it'd work fine until I eventually get a mod unit. My questions are...

-Which ohm rating should I use that would work good with the above batteries and passthrough? After some reading, I *think* 2.8ohm is what I want but I'm not sure.

-What are some places I can find the E2 XL cartomizers so I can cut them myself when my tank atty goes out? If I can do this instead of paying $4.99+shipping per replacement, that'd be nice.

-How big of a difference is there between cartos and MAP tanks, in regards to vapor and flavor?

 

[johnnydotexe]

No opinions? If I'm going the MAP route on my eGo gear, this will push me to eventually get the Chuck or the Provape-1.

 

[Maast]

If I were you I'd go pick up a giantomizer instead of a MAP tank, basically the same thing only a lot cheaper and more available.

Its like a 3.7ml (or 5ml) clearomizer made bigger and sturdier. Royal smokes makes them, google will help you find a vendor

 

[johnnydotexe]

While a Giantomizer is cheaper than the CoV MAP tank mod...is the CE2 carto atty easy to replace like on the MAP tank? If not, MAP is cheaper in the long run because one would have to purchase a new giantomizer($12.99+) each time it goes bad. The most you'd spend to maintain the MAP tank mod is $4.99 each time the atty burns out, unless you buy the CE2 XL 5packs and cut them yourself to save a little money.

 

[Liv2Ski]

Jonnydotexe - From your OP, First since you are running an eGo the 2.8ohm. COV sells the E2 XL if you want to cut one down. MAP vesus the Boge Cartos:

1. Not sure if you are using the standard resistance Boge or the LR so this is based on LR. Boge gives a nice hit for a carto. Cartos do not last forever and I have found it is better to chuck them after running about 20mls of juice through them. So Boge vs Map for longevity, advatage MAP. I have run 50+mls through my COV MAP and it is still hitting great

2. Filling - Hands down winner is the MAP. Fill w/5mls and vape your head off

3. Flavor - this one is a toss up for me. They both seem to have strengths and weaknesses here. The MAP seems a little lighter on flavor and TH versus the LR Boge on an eGo. For me this really is not an issue since my main vape is the Vari and I can dial up to compensate.

4. Wicking - Based on 80Pg/20Vg sauce, when topped off the Boge LR can handle chain vaping better than the MAP. As the liquid inventory in the MAP drops so does its ability to wick quickly. At 1/2 tank I tilt mine to make it wick better. So wicking winner goes to Boge

5. Transportability - I feel better with the Boge out and about. The tank is my tool for the lazy boy and at my desk. So running errands, pulling PV in and out of pocket, skiing etc. winner Boge. Chillin and kicking back winner MAP

6. I have found that each has a spot in the gear box and my daily vaping. I am hopeful the above helps and am sorry I can not just say buy a MAP or stick w/Boge. IMO they are both nice.

 

[AaronB]

I couldn't agree more. These are pretty much my thoughts as both are great and have their place.

Jonnydotexe - From your OP, First since you are running an eGo the 2.8ohm. COV sells the E2 XL if you want to cut one down. MAP vesus the Boge Cartos:

1. Not sure if you are using the standard resistance Boge or the LR so this is based on LR. Boge gives a nice hit for a carto. Cartos do not last forever and I have found it is better to chuck them after running about 20mls of juice through them. So Boge vs Map for longevity, advatage MAP. I have run 50+mls through my COV MAP and it is still hitting great

2. Filling - Hands down winner is the MAP. Fill w/5mls and vape your head off

3. Flavor - this one is a toss up for me. They both seem to have strengths and weaknesses here. The MAP seems a little lighter on flavor and TH versus the LR Boge on an eGo. For me this really is not an issue since my main vape is the Vari and I can dial up to compensate.

4. Wicking - Based on 80Pg/20Vg sauce, when topped off the Boge LR can handle chain vaping better than the MAP. As the liquid inventory in the MAP drops so does its ability to wick quickly. At 1/2 tank I tilt mine to make it wick better. So wicking winner goes to Boge

5. Transportability - I feel better with the Boge out and about. The tank is my tool for the lazy boy and at my desk. So running errands, pulling PV in and out of pocket, skiing etc. winner Boge. Chillin and kicking back winner MAP

6. I have found that each has a spot in the gear box and my daily vaping. I am hopeful the above helps and am sorry I can not just say buy a MAP or stick w/Boge. IMO they are both nice.

 

[johnnydotexe]

Thanks for the great info. Also, I'm using the non-LR boge cartos. The reason I didn't get the LRs is because I read a bunch stories about people toasting their eGo batts, or the cartos, doing this.

One thing I am noticing about these Boge cartos is somewhat of a harsh taste with most of the fluids I have, Dekang and FSUSA. After flushing one with the syringe method, the inner cloth tube came apart down near the bottom which plugged it up...so I took this as a chance to rip the guts out to see how these cartos are made. I was surprised to find a hole burnt through the filler near the bottom. Is burning filler what's causing that harsh hit? I make sure to top these guys off as much as possible to keep that atty wet.

If I go the MAP route, I'll likely get the provape-1 and keep the eGo/cartos for errand-running and such. Is there a better carto than the Boge that I should maybe try out? I'm not completely sold on those Giantomizers as stated above, but I have been eying the fluxomizer clearomizers...and they do come in various ohm ratings so I can aim for a more efficient ohm rating on my 650 batts.

 

[Liv2Ski]

johnny - I have run the LR 2.0ohm Boge's on my eGo without a problem for awhile. Yes there is a risk but 2.0 is not as high of a risk as 1.5 and I have run that stuff on my eGo's/Rivas too. For me the reward is worth it.

The harsh taste can certainly come from a burnt carto. I have found this is mostly caused by a failed initial fill or a pocket fire of you batt for an extended period. This is also another reason why I toss after a few fills. For me they are just not worth the hassle of cleaning and maintaining.

You will enjoy the Provape. I have had mine since Sept and still hit it daily even though I have other MODs in the gear box. It is a nicely built true 3.7 device and will drive LR and standard resistance gear nicely.

As for the better carto----IMO the Ikenvape gold V2 is the benchmark. Ohms out at around 2.4 and produces a really nice clean consistent vape. Only problem is that they are usually out of stock. He had over 300 sell this weekend in less than 20 hours!

I have tried almost all of the CE-2's and have never been happy with them. They are a PITA to fill and I always got a weird taste from them. Other members really dig them so keep in mind this is just one users opinion. After the success with the MAP I decided I would try the fluxomizers. I placed an order for the fluxomizer this weekend and they should be here tomorrow. I am hoping for the best but expecting the same results I had with all the other CE-2's.

Again I hope the above helps and happy vapes!

 

[Liv2Ski]

johnny if you want to try a Boge LR 2.0 PM me your address and I will drop one in the mail to you. If you take me up on the offer just remember to help someone new out about six months from now by doing the same!

 

[johnnydotexe]

johnny if you want to try a Boge LR 2.0 PM me your address and I will drop one in the mail to you. If you take me up on the offer just remember to help someone new out about six months from now by doing the same!

Sure, I was just debating on ordering some but if I can try one first that'd probably be better. I'm already going to have like 10x spare non-LR cartos if I go with the LRs or a tank, but I'll keep those put away for future use or paying it forward.

 

[johnnydotexe]

Oh, another thing I forgot to mention...

With the cartos, I'm honestly getting burnt out on having to fill them and top them off constantly, while dealing with the occasional over-fill which leads to blowing out several drops of e-juice before I can use it. It's not too bad, but the more I think about it the more appealing that MAP tank sounds. I may just go with the LR boges for work and errand-running, and run the MAP at home. That way I'm not having to CONSTANTLY fill and top off cartos.

 

[Liv2Ski]

good call the best of both worlds. That is why this hobby is so fun. There is really a lot of cool gear out there.

 

[johnnydotexe]

Anyone know how often CoV gets the MAP tanks in? I'm gonna go ahead and order a 2.8ohm for my 650 batts and passthrough. Will the 2.8 also work nicely with a Provape-1? That'll be my next purchase, hopefully soon.

 

[Liv2Ski]

His site has a notify me button for products out of stock. I am not sure how well it works but you could give it a try. I believe he gets a few in each week from what I have seen and read. Best of luck. Yes the 2.8 will work on the Provape-1 nicely

 

[johnnydotexe]

Still debating on the boges, MAP tanks, and now the fluxomizer clearomizers.

What's the general opinion of the clearomizers so far? I was thinking about picking up a 5pack of the XL 2.8s, but they are sold out of every type of fluxomizer right now and I see nothing about when they expect more in.

As for the Boge LRs, I'm loving the one Liv2Ski sent me, but I realized it has the same problem as my non-LR boges...when I do the syringe flush method, I think it causes the center tube to come apart near the battery end which restricts airflow and causes leaks before it even has a chance to be full.

I just want a good vapor with great flavor, a little less maintenance and the ability to clean everything without causing damage.

 

[ErikaG]

I use both. I am a little hesitant to pull my map tank out in public and it will get a little flooded if laying down so i use cartos a lot still. Bruce recommended the 2.4 for the ego but you can always get a 2.8 or 3.2 c2 and switch it out. You are not stuck with just one option. I love the tank but yes it lacks a little on flavor. Someone said on a review "it is like warm jello in your mouth". That is the best description i have ever heard of the map tank taste. I do love it!

 

[ErikaG]

Not sure what the syringe flush method is but i use the kids nasal aspirator (booger sucker in my house) to clean mine and then a paperclip to open the hole back up in the middle if it gets clogged. And yes i am cheap. You have to be with 5 kids

 

[johnnydotexe]

Thanks for the replies.

I'm still on the fence over the MAP tank mod, I think I may just get one to vape around the house and work.

As for mobile vaping, I'm still not sure what I want. The Boges are nice and all, but I'm getting burnt out having to top them off every 15-30 minutes, or however long depending on how much I'm vaping. The cartos I "ruined" with the flush method aren't necessarily ruined, but I think they may be leaking if completely filled(not overfilled), and the airflow was cut down a little. While less airflow isn't a bad thing on an eGo, it is on the eGo with cone installed or on the eGo HV passthrough since those last two options have less airflow to begin with. The topping off and overflowing is the main issue, with "burnt filler taste" coming in at a close second. Just seems like ever since I quit analogs for this, my free time is now consumed with "filling, topping off, blowing out the overfill, making sure I don't burn the filler, cleaning, etc."

I'm honestly thinking about trying a 5pck of the XL fluxomizer clearomizers in 2.8-3.0ohm if they ever get them in stock. I watched a few updated videos on cleaning and filling them, so there should be no problem there. What worries me is the clear plastic tube, I've read and seen how easy certain e-liquids can destroy that plastic...and that's not something I'll know about my liquids until it happens. I'm hoping these will be my "boge without the filler", same great vape/flavor but with wicks instead of coil/filler.

Here's the syringe-flush carto cleaning method, it was posted in a thread about cleaning the Boge cartos. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMBSm-lWWZ4

Edit: I've been subscribed to the Go-go thread for a while now, and that definitely seems like an option to go with. They utilize a new-design cartomizer that apparently vapes/tastes better and lasts longer, also holds 3ml of liquid. I'll keep an eye on that thread to see how they like theirs as time goes by.

 

[Liv2Ski]

johnnyd - If you are going to try any of the CE-2 stuff then you are on the right path with the MAP tank. The Clearomizer/fluxomizer are pretty much a standard CE-2 w/a see through sleeve. I have tried pretty much all the Ce-2's and their revisions and the MAP is the only device that I have found that makes them worth while. Of course this is just my opinion and others will say how much they like them. I just got the fluxomizers last weekend after thinking "hey the tank works good maybe these will work too". Same PITA filling technique as a standard CE-2 and no noticable bump in performance. If you do not like topping off a Boge the standard CE-2's will really irratate you especially if you are going through juice at 5mls a day or more. The XL fluxomizers I have will be used for parts on the MAP tank since they are easier to gut than the metal tubed CE-2's. Hope that helps

 

[mwa102464]

The CE2'S are like an almost vape to me, your looking for more flavor and vapor from them but it's just not there, Atty's are so much better in my opinion and I stick with them most of the time, as for cartos, Ikenvape V2 Gold drippers are very good and so are all of his Mega carto too !!!